Why do you need an answer to "why we are here" at all? To give meaning to your life? IMO we are here by random chance, nothing else, no other "reason". I'm perfectly comfortable with that too. Some people need a "reason" to keep motivated, to feel special. There simply is nothing to indicate that life on this planet is anything more than random chance. To presume that we (humans) are special, that we exist by way of some grand plan is the pinnacle of arrogance, a dillusion of grandeur.

Time?...as in a means by which we measure the duration of a given process? How are we limited in understanding that? Granted, we don't know the limits of the universe. That doesn't mean there is no way to reasonably explain it based on what we do know.


I am thinking about it. But, with all due respect, I don't know where you're going with this. Thought comes from nothing? Define "nothing" and define "thought" please.

Reality is nothing more than the sum total of our individual expirences. To say that our mind creates reality is stating the obvious.

 

I don't feel that you are looking into this as deeply as I am but you are entitled to your opinion.

By saying that we do not understand time, I mean that by our understanding there has to be a beginning and an end to everything, but that would require there always having been something (from which our universe was derived) which is contradictory because than there would be no beginning.

In creation theory god created the universe, well what came before god. How could he just come from nothing?

If you look at the evidence we are not just here from happenstance, in fact if the big bang theory is correct, the reason we have as many stars as we do is because it would take that many to create the conditions on one planet, ours, to support life.

To define nothing would be lack of matter, light, magnetism..........no conceivable force or matter.

Thought, the catalyst for which the chemical reactions in our head respond to, to produce "logical" ideas.

 

You're right. The problem as I see it is you're looking too deep. This isn't that difficult of an "issue". The waters only become muddied when it's starts getting "deep" with "meaning to life". Why complicate things unnecessairily?

What evidence (even a generalization will work for me) indicates we are not here by happenstance? I didn't know there was any? Please don't say the Bible.

Ok, I plugged your definitions into your last post about human thought:

"If you think about it the catalyst for which the chemical reactions in our head respond to, to produce "logical" ideas, should not even be possible by our understanding, because it is essentially created from a lack of matter, light, magnetism..........no conceivable force or matter, or at least by something we do not yet understand."

I don't think I'm any closer to understanding how this supports the prospect that there is "meaning to life".

 

See what "science" has to say about evolution. It seems that the Theory hasnt held water on too many levels. In fact, these scientists are devoted to debunking the Theory on all levels. I read the book, which you can order from the site for almost nothing, and I lost all respect for the evolutionary theory that my biology professors tried to force on us.

http://evolution-facts.org/

 

http://evolution-facts.org/Cruncher%20TOC.htm

 

bluestang65,

No offense, but I could find a few web pages that say the sky is yellow if I wanted to.

Nothing is perfect, evolution included.

Try doing a search on Creationism.

Waxy

 

None taken. Tell you what: Read the arguments, buy the book (its pretty cheap), and make an informed decision. Science and logic dont stand behind darwin anymore (they never really did). Take advantage of your right as an American to investigate it. Research the sources given by the book. If a website made a claim that the sky is yellow, I would be the first to dismiss it. But when a reputable website makes a careful examination of credible sources, I will examine it. Religion is no more the opiate of the masses. Apathy and blind acceptance have taken over America.

The following is an excerpt from the book entitled “Fast Facts on False Teachings” by Dr. Ron Carlson and Ed Decker:

Another problem for the evolutionists is the laws of probability, which clearly and simply demonstrate that life from nonliving matter is impossible. As Sir Fred Hoyle, one of the world’s leading astronomers and mathematicians, recently said before the British Academy of Science: “The probability of life arising by chance is the same probability as throwing a six on a dice five million consecutive times.” He then went on to add, “Let’s be scientifically honest. We all know that the probability of life arising to greater and greater complexity and organization by chance through evolution is the same probability as having a tornado tear through a junkyard and form out the other end a Boeing 747 jetliner!”

 

lol...what's with the quotation marks on science..."science"...what is that supposed to mean? I suspect it's your way of sticking your tounge out at science.

Your biology teacher tried to force the evolutionary theory on you? Right. Oh the drama. That's the wonderful thing about science, you don't have to force anything. If you want to see something being forced review the history of religion...ever hear of the Inquisition? ...now we're talking force, all in the name of our devine creator.

 

bluestang,

I have studied evolution, extensively. I know the "probabilities" and I'm aware of where there are holes in the theory. Don't throw out the baby with the bath water.

I did spend some time on that site, admittedly not enough, and from what I saw, it's religious academics attempting to poke holes in something in support of what they believe. Some of it is valid, no doubt, but it is EXTREMEly one sided.

The problem with this website is that they haven't done any "science" at all. They started out with what they believe is the answer and have proceeded to manipulate the data to fit it. The very antithesis of what science and research are about.

As for science not supporting Darwin, where did you get that notion? From that website and accompanying book? Where else have you looked, what research have you done on evolution theory? What your teacher "forced" on you.

You are obviously a creationist, that's fine. I can only present you a case and then leave it up to you to make up your mind.

This topic has been debated endlessly here, and frankly, I'm a little weary of it, so I think I'm finished.

Waxy

 

Heh, I made that decision a loooooong time ago as discussing it got us nowhere fast.

 

If every human on earth is a descendant of Adam and Eve, shouldn't we all look the same? Why are there different races? If for example, Adam and Eve were Caucasian, then every human on earth should be like them.

 

by that logic, you should look just like all your brothers and sisters

 

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.................................. ...........

Evolutionism vs. Creationism

I believe in a split called Evo-Creationism.

I believe that God and the Devil were created in the "Big Bang" some 14 - 16 billion years ago. It took God some 10 billion years to get life kicked started. Then it snowballed from there with God and the Devil alternately wiping almost all life on earth during their constant fight for dominancy over the earth.

I think the Bible got it right 99% of the time, but everybody knows that prsent day man has existed for nearly 50,000+ years on earth, not the 7,000 years that the Bible says. I think that 7,000 years is the time-frame that the Bible recorded, no the whole era that present day man has existed for.

I also believe that things in the Bible happened over a longer time frame than 7,000 years. (And, yes, I believe that "The Great Flood" happened, too.)

Okay, fire when ready on this "can of beans" and I'll step off my soap box.

 

God, Jesus, Adam and Eve White?

How can you find a native of Middle East and Africa that aren't some shade of Tan or Brown?

Look in my church (in the middle of central PA of all places) they display the typical pics ("The Last Supper" "The Cursifiction" "The Rising on Easter Sunday" etc. etc.) and the all shown people of tan and/or brown in color.

I look at it this way. They are people of color and everybody in the world (all 6.7 billion of us) are just shades of the same color. And we all have the same ancestor: Adam and Eve. I am a "white" person myself and this color idea is nonsense. Who is to say that I am a white person and I am better than my best friend who is as black as a piece of coal. (Hell I crack a joke everytime I see him that if he was in a dark alley the only I could see him is only if he opened his eyes and smiled at me. He always laughs at that joke, but that is another story.)

The whole point is it my opinion that God, Jesus, Adam and Eve were "Colored" and I'll say it again we are all shades of the same color.

 

Well, siblings do for the most part look like each other and their parents. Again, If we are all sons and daughters of Adam and Eve, we should all look the same. Genetically, we should all be identical. But we are not. No one knows for sure what the genetic or racial makeup of Adam and Eve was since their are no remains to examine. According to the Bible, men and women back then were stronger and lived much longer. Adam was more that 800 years old when he died and reportedly he and Eve had many children. All of their children should have been basically the same since there were no other humans to mix up the gene pool.