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Old 08-30-2022, 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by NeverboughtanFseries
Those are very very strong.
Indeed they are. I do tree work on the side and use steel carabiners with my rigging gear, but all my life-support carabiners are aluminum Petzl units ... rated at 27Kn (6,000#). Gotta' keep the life support gear separate from the rigging gear, and it's real easy to identify where each carabiner is used when they're different materials.
 
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Old 08-30-2022, 12:38 PM
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I shake my head when I see all the junk people buy to hang on their hitched instead of using a real hook on the trailer end like a couple posts above. Hell of a lot cheaper too and takes maybe 5 min to swap them out. There is nothing wrong with the hitch on these trucks at all.
The vast number of complaints about Ford's terrible design would say you're wrong. And don't forget to take your blood pressure medication.
 
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There are plenty of complaints about GM's hitch chain configuration too. There must have been some issues with the old simple style failing. I would like to see a dual-purpose set of tow hooks back there, bolted securely in place, but I know that would add quite a few more bucks to build compared to the stamped and punched steel they all use on the hitches today.
 
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A carabiner is not the right way to connect your safety chains to your pickup. Could they work? Sure. But it’s kinda like needing to use the brakes quickly on an F-150 towing 30k. Everything was kinda sorta fine until you actually need to stop abruptly.

For those of us that take issue with the chain connections on the Ford hitch and chose hammerlocks, the reason we did so is the hammerlock is going to be as strong or sometimes stronger than the chain/hook it is connecting. They don’t require any mental gymnastics where you have to tell yourself these should be good enough because _____ failure method is really unlikely.

Having said that life is full of risks, do whatever you please. It just seems like if we say nothing we are helping to hold something up that does not even remotely represent best practices.

WLL
Shock Load
Breaking Strength
Torque Load

All these terms mean something.

 
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According to their website, those have a 3850lb load limit.
 
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According to their website, those have a 3850lb load limit.
Look again. 3850# is it's working limit ... breaking load is listed as 15,400# ... a "standard" safety factor of 4 times its working load.
 
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I'm at the point, where I would rather my trailer break away from my truck, than take my truck with it, which typically results in a roll-over.

Either way, my shackles are rated for 3.5T WLL each, which is more than what I haul. I sleep very well at night.
 
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I'm at the point, where I would rather my trailer break away from my truck, than take my truck with it, which typically results in a roll-over.

Either way, my shackles are rated for 3.5T WLL each, which is more than what I haul. I sleep very well at night.
Put your flame suit on.
 
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I made my own, I call them HammerLinks! 50 Ton WLL each!




 
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G70 = 700 mpa

Fe = 350-450 mpa

Pb = 17 mpa
 
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I made my own, I call them HammerLinks! 50 Ton WLL each!
Doubles as a jumper cable?
 
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I bought these. I have a 2022. Any idea hot to install them ? My hitch isnt like their video which makes it look easy.
 
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Originally Posted by Compression-Ignition
A carabiner is not the right way to connect your safety chains to your pickup. Could they work? Sure. But it’s kinda like needing to use the brakes quickly on an F-150 towing 30k. Everything was kinda sorta fine until you actually need to stop abruptly.

For those of us that take issue with the chain connections on the Ford hitch and chose hammerlocks, the reason we did so is the hammerlock is going to be as strong or sometimes stronger than the chain/hook it is connecting. They don’t require any mental gymnastics where you have to tell yourself these should be good enough because _____ failure method is really unlikely.

Having said that life is full of risks, do whatever you please. It just seems like if we say nothing we are helping to hold something up that does not even remotely represent best practices.

WLL
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Breaking Strength
Torque Load

All these terms mean something.
An 11,000 lb carabiner is not correct? You need to rethink what you think a carabiner is for if you believe that.

And safety chains aren't for abruptly stopping. They're for keeping your load attached to the tow vehicle. Brakes are for stopping abruptly.
 
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Originally Posted by NeverboughtanFseries
An 11,000 lb carabiner is not correct? You need to rethink what you think a carabiner is for if you believe that.

And safety chains aren't for abruptly stopping. They're for keeping your load attached to the tow vehicle. Brakes are for stopping abruptly.
Ask yourself how could a carabiner fail vs a hook or hammer link.

I was using the F-150 towing 30k as a metaphor explaining that it can be done, but isn’t right. I didn’t say the chains were for stopping abruptly.
 
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Originally Posted by Compression-Ignition
Ask yourself how could a carabiner fail vs a hook or hammer link.

I was using the F-150 towing 30k as a metaphor explaining that it can be done, but isn’t right. I didn’t say the chains were for stopping abruptly.
ask yourself what the rating of the device is.

The rating dictates the guarantee of performance, not some arbitrary situation that you've constructed in your mind.

your metaphor was poor and inappropriate.
 


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