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Old Jun 6, 2022 | 10:23 AM
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Be glad that you aren't one of the unfortunates ones waiting MONTHS for a DPF heater for their Duramax. They are undriveable with this failure. My niece waited 4 months. Got a friend at 2 months and no part; under warranty. It is parked. It's rampant.
 
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Old Jun 6, 2022 | 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by acadianbob
Be glad that you aren't one of the unfortunates ones waiting MONTHS for a DPF heater for their Duramax. They are undriveable with this failure. My niece waited 4 months. Got a friend at 2 months and no part; under warranty. It is parked. It's rampant.
yep, DEF heater. the wiring harness melts and renders the truck useless. the heater is integrated into the tank, so the whole tank needs to be replaced.
this is the #1 reason why I dumped mine (plus it was in the shop for 70 days last year for other reasons, 1 that was never fixed after 3 attempts)
last I heard there were 9000 tanks on backorder 🤦🏼
 
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Old Jun 6, 2022 | 04:35 PM
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my 17 has 91k miles. I was incredibly tempted to sell it about 6 months ago when the az truck market was just silly. like $40k for 100k mile diesels.


sucks to see all the issues knowing how solid the 17-19 alumiduty's were.
 
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Old Jun 6, 2022 | 06:19 PM
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For what it’s worth, I have a ‘22 250 CCSB 7.3 Lariat Ultimate Tremor. Came out of a ‘19 King Ranch 6.7. Both stock. My 6.7 was an excellent truck. Never an issue and so much power. My needs changed so I ordered the new one, traded the old one for well over what I bought it new for (like so many others) 3.5 yrs later. I needed more payload vs towing power, so decided to try it out even though I truly loved my KR 6.7.

I had the concerns so went over my new one when it came in very carefully. Couldn’t find anything that looked different (welds were straight, etc). I’ve had it since October and again, while it’s just a sample size of one, I have found this truck to be just as great as my last one. I love it, in fact. I’d argue it’s the best truck I’ve ever owned. So there are ‘22s out there that are great. I have one. But I also know that any mass produced vehicle, even built by robots, will have units get through with issues. I was an engineer at Cisco for many years after leaving Navy. I worked on some crazy expensive gear and as good as the QC was there, we’d still get bad batches of components from time to time that had us replacing VERY pricey lasers, etc for no cost to customer.

It stinks when it happens, and I hate the OP is having a tough time.
 
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Old Jun 7, 2022 | 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by texrun40
For what it’s worth, I have a ‘22 250 CCSB 7.3 Lariat Ultimate Tremor. Came out of a ‘19 King Ranch 6.7. Both stock. My 6.7 was an excellent truck. Never an issue and so much power. My needs changed so I ordered the new one, traded the old one for well over what I bought it new for (like so many others) 3.5 yrs later. I needed more payload vs towing power, so decided to try it out even though I truly loved my KR 6.7.

I had the concerns so went over my new one when it came in very carefully. Couldn’t find anything that looked different (welds were straight, etc). I’ve had it since October and again, while it’s just a sample size of one, I have found this truck to be just as great as my last one. I love it, in fact. I’d argue it’s the best truck I’ve ever owned. So there are ‘22s out there that are great. I have one. But I also know that any mass produced vehicle, even built by robots, will have units get through with issues. I was an engineer at Cisco for many years after leaving Navy. I worked on some crazy expensive gear and as good as the QC was there, we’d still get bad batches of components from time to time that had us replacing VERY pricey lasers, etc for no cost to customer.

It stinks when it happens, and I hate the OP is having a tough time.
Agree with all of this. We see a very small percentage of trucks on this forum, in fact most come here for issues, so it makes it look like an incredibly huge failure or issue rate, when in fact if you stood back and looked at 100% of the owners, including ones not on this site you'd see the new SD's have the same amount of QC type issues as other years and you only see the ones that have issues here or any other forum.
 
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Old Jun 7, 2022 | 12:49 PM
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I wouldn't say their work is shoddy, they do what they can with what they are given. Garbage in, Garbage out. The reason everything is like they are in RV's is to keep the weight down. If you were to put real Amish built cabinets in and have the RV built by Amish standards, it would weigh tons more. It would be built really well, but you would need a semi tractor to tow it. I put the blame squarely on the manufacturers who design them.

The past year the RV industry was in turmoil due to lack of workers and materials. They could not keep workers on the line for some reason and had to keep training new workers, so anything built in 2021 would be suspect of build quality. The number of recalls is astounding, especially with the LP systems.
Ive seen shoddy work. Screws and staple missing the studs or joists. Bed supports on top of flex duct, ducts not even connected.
but it is shoddy because management allows it to be that way. You see this kinda of crap on $100k fifth wheels.
 
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Old Jun 7, 2022 | 01:16 PM
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I know there are some fine Amish craftsmen, but the RV industry does not hire them. There are a lot of Amish working in that industry, but they build some crap. It is amazing the crap you see on $100k RVs.
Amish factory workers do exactly as they are told by their employers. Google Amish RV repair and check out Orvan's reputation for quality work. People drive from the west coast to have private amish shops repair their rigs. Night and day difference from the same group of local people. One is corporate owned, the others private. Amish take great pride in their work when they are the ones in charge.

As for warranties, manufactures use warranties as a crutch to validate cost value subpar workmanship and expect the customer to pay it via increased pricing and extended coverage. The vast majority of buyers accept this tradeoff as being normal. If people would quit buying inferior products, the problem would get fixed quickly. Unfortunately, that is not going to happen in today's world of uninformed instant gratification buyers.
 
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Old Jun 7, 2022 | 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by William Owens
Ive seen shoddy work. Screws and staple missing the studs or joists. Bed supports on top of flex duct, ducts not even connected.
but it is shoddy because management allows it to be that way. You see this kinda of crap on $100k fifth wheels.
Sadly, you will see it on $200k+ units as well.
 
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Old Jun 7, 2022 | 04:45 PM
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Exactly right, its what they consider Quality Control, and what we consider lack thereof. The guys are rushed through and told get it done as fast as possible, so they do. The past 2 years are not years to buy RV's, the turnover of workers was way too high, so a LOT of unskilled workers were putting these together. Plus you get what you pay for, not the consumer, but the factory. You are basically getting a low wage builder quality. I have seen worse built cabinets in the higher end Montanas, than I have in my Arctic Wolf. We were looking at one model and the closet door came off in my wife's hand. It listed for more than TWICE what I paid for the AW.
 
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Old Jun 11, 2022 | 12:12 AM
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Which engine and differential is it? 6.7 diesel, 7.3 or 6.2 gas and which axle ratio?
6.7 Diesel with the 3.55
 
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Old Jun 11, 2022 | 12:25 AM
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Still not Happy! So after the dealer had my truck for 3 weeks I finally went to pick it up. They replaced the rear differential housing and the carrier bearing. I took it for a test drive and the same hum that I took it in for is still there. Which means that they did all of that work and kept my truck for 3 weeks for nothing. I have decided to take my chances and take the truck with our Fifth Wheel to Michigan which is around 1100 miles. I did get about 900 miles on it before I took it to the dealer. We will see and maybe that humming noise will just disappear after I get 1100 more miles on it. Wishful thinking on my part. Lol
 
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Old Jun 11, 2022 | 01:23 AM
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Originally Posted by wingcat
Still not Happy! So after the dealer had my truck for 3 weeks I finally went to pick it up. They replaced the rear differential housing and the carrier bearing. I took it for a test drive and the same hum that I took it in for is still there. Which means that they did all of that work and kept my truck for 3 weeks for nothing. I have decided to take my chances and take the truck with our Fifth Wheel to Michigan which is around 1100 miles. I did get about 900 miles on it before I took it to the dealer. We will see and maybe that humming noise will just disappear after I get 1100 more miles on it. Wishful thinking on my part. Lol
After I took delivery of my truck I went through it like what I usually do when buying a vehicle, then I sent it to my mechanic to do another once over concentrating on the drivetrain. He found a couple of things here and there, small things.

with the kind of turnover on and the perennial dealer tech stories, now more than ever you might be better off letting independent shops take a first stab at it so your truck doesn’t sit around in line at the dealer just to get some newbie looking at it for a few minutes. There are no doubt many many dealerships still with good people working here but if you are not happy with one particular one, perhaps it’s worth your time to let seasoned indy techs you trust to look over things.
 
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Old Jun 11, 2022 | 04:12 AM
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Originally Posted by wingcat
Still not Happy! So after the dealer had my truck for 3 weeks I finally went to pick it up. They replaced the rear differential housing and the carrier bearing. I took it for a test drive and the same hum that I took it in for is still there. Which means that they did all of that work and kept my truck for 3 weeks for nothing. I have decided to take my chances and take the truck with our Fifth Wheel to Michigan which is around 1100 miles. I did get about 900 miles on it before I took it to the dealer. We will see and maybe that humming noise will just disappear after I get 1100 more miles on it. Wishful thinking on my part. Lol
When your in Michigan if it keeps acting up take it to Seymour Ford in Jackson. Seymour sends their work out to a company that all they do is differential and transfer cases. I had a vehicle done their and zero issues after.
 
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Old Jun 11, 2022 | 06:18 AM
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Don’t buy anything, ANYTHING made during Covid or while people are still screwed up from being at home during Covid. Travel trailers, RV’s, cars, trucks, etc…all require that the employee base be somewhat satisfied and normal or else the buyer gets a big piece of junk on purchase. These days, too many people are introverted germ-o-phobes with zero loyalty to their employers and many more than in the past aren’t taking pride in their own work product. That all translates to garbage in the marketplace. I’m sure there’s a way to blame Biden in all this, too .
Unfortunately there are some, including me who need a new vehicle during this time. I traded a 17' Platinum that had a shake in the steering wheel that 3 dealerships couldn't resolve. So I ordered a 21' Tremor 7.3 that within the first 1k miles had shifting problems. The truck has been to the dealership 5 times now and had the trans replaced at 11k miles and still isn't shifting correctly. My personal opinion is that it's the programing but nothing they can do with that. So at this point Ford has offered to buy my truck back, which at any other time is all well and good but I can't buy another F250 or order one, so I'm stuck with this one until the 23' order banks open up.
 
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Old Jun 11, 2022 | 08:01 AM
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I keep my trucks about 12 years before I replace them. I guess I would rather have a 4 year old truck and no loan payment instead of a payment and a warranty.
I do not buy new things for the warranty, warranties are generally a BIG hassle. I buy new things because they are generally better. I pay cash for my snowmobiles so no payments but change them out every two years because they become unreliable after that given the time I put on them. I also roll a lot of miles in my truck, I have had it 9 moths and it is over 30k miles. I would not be interested in owning it 12 years and 400k miles so it too will get replaced not because I want a warranty but because I like newer stuff. My '22 has been flawless with the exception of the common 10 speed programming complaints. I have 30k to go with it on Fords dime. I would not take it in now unless it had a catastrophic failure. My 6 speed was clunky at times too but super durable, hoping the 10 speed is the same, well I wish it worked better but in my experience all automatics pretty much suck...
 
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