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Old Apr 6, 2022 | 09:11 AM
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Fifth wheel vs bed height question

First time poster on this section so be easy on me lol.
I have been pulling our 27rls savoy with a 2wd 96 f350.
I however have sold that and planned to use my 4wd dually 96 that I have been in process of resurrecting for a few years. I have gotten the cab and bed back on and realized this truck is fairly high. I measured bed rail height vs the step up part on my camper. I found that the bed and camper are basically the same height. I find that most places suggest 6" minimum separation between the two. I think this is a nogo situation. Am I wrong? Its not ideal to have the camper riding fairly nose up . I guess we will have to go back to a bumper pull? Altering the truck is NOT an option

Any opinions observations or "yep you are sol" are appreciated lol
 
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Old Apr 6, 2022 | 09:42 AM
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6" is what I hear also. Nose up puts too much stress on the rear axle of the trailer.
 
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Old Apr 6, 2022 | 09:56 AM
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Have you considered raising the camper bed above the axles? I had to add 3" blocks to the axle on one of the campers I had to level things out and get the clearance I needed. I'm sure there are Youtube videos out there that would be helpful. But, in your case, 6" is a lot and this method may not work.... just an idea...
 
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Old Apr 6, 2022 | 10:55 AM
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Have you considered how far the truck will squat under load when determining the bed hight.

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Old Apr 6, 2022 | 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by HRTKD
6" is what I hear also. Nose up puts too much stress on the rear axle of the trailer.
yes,thats what I have also read. This is my first 5er so thats all I have to go from is reading also.
 
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Old Apr 6, 2022 | 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by MKrenn
Have you considered raising the camper bed above the axles? I had to add 3" blocks to the axle on one of the campers I had to level things out and get the clearance I needed. I'm sure there are Youtube videos out there that would be helpful. But, in your case, 6" is a lot and this method may not work.... just an idea...
That idk, I was concerned about raising the center of gravity.
Also this suckere is already several steps up. 6" more is another step lol.
I will look at it tonight tho.
 
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Old Apr 6, 2022 | 12:43 PM
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A Lippert Corret Track system bolts on and will raise the trailer 2" above it's standard height. I did that to gain clearance, otherwise backing up our steep drive would have had the fiver ridiing on my bed rails.
 
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Old Apr 6, 2022 | 02:54 PM
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Here's a couple YouTube videos:

https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...trailer+height

Hope this helps. Not sure how much you'll need to raise your 5th wheel. Guessing putting both on level ground then measuring would be your best bet. Good luck.
 
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Old Apr 6, 2022 | 09:01 PM
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The equalizer on your trailer axles will help alleviate any extra stress on the rear axle. I had a situation just like your a few years ago. New truck that was too high for the fifth wheel. I DID go and weigh the axles individually. Serious nose up trailer. The axles weighed the SAME.

But, nose up like that is a bad situation. It encourages trailer sway. And we found that the front storage (right behind the tailgate) was much closer to the bumper because of the nose up attitude of the trailer. Insufficient clearance for turns.

Our solution: Sold the trailer and bought one with 5 more inches of height to the bottom of the nose where the pin box attaches.
 
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Old Apr 6, 2022 | 09:25 PM
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The equalizer on your trailer axles will help alleviate any extra stress on the rear axle. I had a situation just like your a few years ago. New truck that was too high for the fifth wheel. I DID go and weigh the axles individually. Serious nose up trailer. The axles weighed the SAME.

But, nose up like that is a bad situation. It encourages trailer sway. And we found that the front storage (right behind the tailgate) was much closer to the bumper because of the nose up attitude of the trailer. Insufficient clearance for turns.

Our solution: Sold the trailer and bought one with 5 more inches of height to the bottom of the nose where the pin box attaches.
That was another question with these if the step up height was standard or if it varied.

Honestly i have really set my mind on selling this unit. With it not being a bunkhouse for the family and the height issue I think its just is what it is. I'm not married to this unit tho I do like it alright.
 
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I'm going to go ahead and ask the OP a stupid question. Did you measure the bedrail clearance with the fiver hooked up, or was the fiver just sitting there? I have to raise my fiver 5" to 6" above level before I can connect, and just like rvpuller suggests, the truck squats back down when you raise the landing gear. On my setup everything ends up looking pretty good, as you can see here.


 
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The truck will likely squat about 2 to3 inches.

Our first fifth wheel was 58" to the bottom of the nose. The truck bed rail height was 60". Add 6" of clearance (66"). Therefore the trailer was 8" nose high. 3" of squat, it is still 5" high in the front. Too much.

Current truck is 59" at the bed rail. (Ford lowered the SD about an inch) Add 6" clearance. (65"). New trailer is 63" under the nose. 2" of squat (changed from F250 to F350) Trailer is level.
 
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I'm going to go ahead and ask the OP a stupid question. Did you measure the bedrail clearance with the fiver hooked up, or was the fiver just sitting there? I have to raise my fiver 5" to 6" above level before I can connect, and just like rvpuller suggests, the truck squats back down when you raise the landing gear. On my setup everything ends up looking pretty good, as you can see here.

The truck is in pieces still.
It has 2 leaves added to the f-350 pack. The 2wd 4 leaf truck settled maybe an inch.. my project is a bit excessive in that everything is freshly painted or powder coated. I am not sold on putting all these holes in this truck honestly either.

I think I have the fiver sold already so this is all moot
 
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