400 HP Engine Build - Input Needed
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400 HP Engine Build - Input Needed
At 351k miles, with metal showing up in the engine oil, I figure it's time to give the thing a proper rebuild. As with all the stuff I've previously done to this truck it'll be a learning experience, but I'm confident I should be able to pull it off with some help from the FTE brain trust. I know it'll be mentioned but OEM spec long-blocks from reputable builders are almost a grand more expensive with massive lead times, so aren't being considered right now. In terms of my aims, a reliable 375-400 HP good for towing and a little bit of fun for years to come. I don't want smoke, I don't want (too) loud, I don't want flash. I spend most of my time between 1500 and 2500 RPM so efficient performance in that range is what I care most about.
Here's what I have to work with right now:
I won't know until I dig in and see where the metal is coming from, but I'm assuming all of the above should be re-usable without issue. The injectors I'll send out to replace with premium rebuilt injectors, and the HPOPs I'll send to terminator to make a T500 out of. What I need to know is what else should be considered re-usable? If the pushrods are straight? If the rollers roll smooth and aren't scratched up? What about crank studs and bearing-cap bolts/nuts?
Machining would consist of
One thing I really need help with is injector sizing. Intuition tells me that 160/30 should result in higher fuel efficiency/cleaner running truck due to higher injection pressure/cleaner burn, as well as more bottom end response, but I'd be running them near the top of their operating range and ICP drop at higher RPM is a potential factor. 200/30 hybrids could be de-tuned to operate well for my goals, but I worry the consequence will be worse fuel efficiency and more propensity to smoke/haze.
The first step in this process will be pulling and stripping the engine. Any pointers for best way to pull it? I'd prefer to not discharge the AC system if possible. Also what is the best way to remove the cylinder heads so as to reduce chances of warping (I think it's reverse torque sequence)? There anything to know about removing the front cover?
Look forward to documenting this journey, and also look forward to hearing everyone's thoughts and advice : )
Here's what I have to work with right now:
- E99 block w/forged rods
- AB injectors, Bosch glow-plugs
- Good water pump & hoses, maybe good front-cover, fan clutch, power steering pump
- T4 Kit w/ BW 363 SXE 63/68 0.91 A/R
- RRD Plenums and boots, AIS intake
- Four-line feed, resealed fuel bowl
- CNC HPOP lines, couple working HPOPs
- Hydra, stock IDM and PCM, refurbished wiring harness
- Good EBP sensor and tube, good ICP sensor, all other sensors seem to be working fine too
- L99 starter
- Golden nugget dipstick adapter, non-rotted oil pan
- Non-rotted exhaust manifolds, valve covers
I won't know until I dig in and see where the metal is coming from, but I'm assuming all of the above should be re-usable without issue. The injectors I'll send out to replace with premium rebuilt injectors, and the HPOPs I'll send to terminator to make a T500 out of. What I need to know is what else should be considered re-usable? If the pushrods are straight? If the rollers roll smooth and aren't scratched up? What about crank studs and bearing-cap bolts/nuts?
Machining would consist of
- Magnaflux
- Block cleaning and cylinder boring (I have low blow-by so 0.01 aught be sufficient), check deck for flatness (don't think it'll need to be decked)
- Cylinder heads which includes valve seats and guides (if necessary)
- Check if crank is in spec, polish
- Check is cam is in spec, polish
- Balance rotating assembly
- I will go through and clean all threads with brush and taps
- Heads
- Mahle head gasket kit
- Includes head gaskets, HPOP gasket, exhaust manifold gaskets, valve seals, o-rings
- Motorcraft stock pushrods
- Mahle valves, valve seats, valve guides
- 910-16 springs
- Mahle rollers
- Studs
- Don't think I really need studs, more for future-proofing in case I go down the VGT road in the future
- RRDP stainless injector cups
- Premium rebuilt injectors
- New injector harness
- Mahle head gasket kit
- Block
- Mahle lower gasket set
- Mahle main bearings, cam bearings, connecting bearings
- Melling LPOP / front seal
- Oil cooler
- Welded jets
- Oil pickup tube
- Stock harmonic balancer & tensioner
- Stock main and rod bolts/nuts (will re-use if possible?)
- Stainless exhaust manifold bolts
- Transmission adapter (if current one isn't in spec per TSB)
- Summit Racing flexplate
- Pistons
- Mahle pistons, wrist pins, and rings
- Second ring modified to be gapless
- For reduced blowby/less soot in the oil, efficiency
- Ceramic coating
- For longevity, efficiency, to avoid cracks
One thing I really need help with is injector sizing. Intuition tells me that 160/30 should result in higher fuel efficiency/cleaner running truck due to higher injection pressure/cleaner burn, as well as more bottom end response, but I'd be running them near the top of their operating range and ICP drop at higher RPM is a potential factor. 200/30 hybrids could be de-tuned to operate well for my goals, but I worry the consequence will be worse fuel efficiency and more propensity to smoke/haze.
The first step in this process will be pulling and stripping the engine. Any pointers for best way to pull it? I'd prefer to not discharge the AC system if possible. Also what is the best way to remove the cylinder heads so as to reduce chances of warping (I think it's reverse torque sequence)? There anything to know about removing the front cover?
Look forward to documenting this journey, and also look forward to hearing everyone's thoughts and advice : )
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@SkySkiJason has ample experience with engine pulling, has a video that I was unable to find.
Not sure stainless bolts for the exhaust manifolds are the best choice. Great to avoid rust but tensile strength of ss is kinda wimpy. Compare torque spec on the bolts with strength of the size bolts you'll need.
I'm thinking with a T4 setup you can get to 400hp with 160/0 injectors with proper tuning. That will benefit low power/RPM drivability. But I am no expert.
Very glad you are taking the bull by the horns here.
Not sure stainless bolts for the exhaust manifolds are the best choice. Great to avoid rust but tensile strength of ss is kinda wimpy. Compare torque spec on the bolts with strength of the size bolts you'll need.
I'm thinking with a T4 setup you can get to 400hp with 160/0 injectors with proper tuning. That will benefit low power/RPM drivability. But I am no expert.
Very glad you are taking the bull by the horns here.
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What is your budget? I would add replacing the oil pan and getting the dipstick bung welded in to the list. Fire-ringing, while probably excessive for your goal, adds a lot of peace-of-mind. Those are the first things that come to mind. I will be editing this post as I read through yours more carefully.
Edit 1: Consider upgraded pushrods because of the higher rate valve springs.
Edit 2: Leaving the rear cab mount bolts loose but in place, jacking the front of the cab up and then wedging 2x4s edgewise between the cab and the frame gives you enough clearance to get the engine out with the turbo in place. I prefer that over removing the turbo first. I assume you will be hot-tanking all the bigger pieces after the engine is dismantled?
Edit 3: Whether you are keeping the original transmission adapter or not, add steel thread inserts for the starter bolt holes so they don’t wear out so quickly. Also add a drain pipe from the rear valley drain hole to the hole in the bottom of the block so the bellhousing cavity stays cleaner.
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Haha thanks. I'm hoping I don't pull a Knoxville!
I don't think I'd go as nuts as you, but there's no question a VGT or ebooster would help the old 7.3 drive like a more modern truck.
My oil pan is in good shape so I'll clean it out and re-use. Will have a local company put bed-liner on the outside to make it last. Weld-in dipstick is a good idea but the expensive adapter I got right doesn't leak and is paid for. If I can sell it I might do the weld-in thing.
If this were a 6.0 I'd agree with fire-ringing but 7.3's hardly ever have head gasket issues, especially with studs. Fire rings would nuke the budget.
Whether you are keeping the original transmission adapter or not, add steel thread inserts for the starter bolt holes so they don’t wear out so quickly. Also add a drain pipe from the rear valley drain hole to the hole in the bottom of the block so the bellhousing cavity stays cleaner.
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We are looking to keep this to between 7 and 8. Obviously it'll be more if the crank and cam journals got all scratched up from the metal in the oil.
My oil pan is in good shape so I'll clean it out and re-use. Will have a local company put bed-liner on the outside to make it last. Weld-in dipstick is a good idea but the expensive adapter I got right doesn't leak and is paid for. If I can sell it I might do the weld-in thing.
My oil pan is in good shape so I'll clean it out and re-use. Will have a local company put bed-liner on the outside to make it last. Weld-in dipstick is a good idea but the expensive adapter I got right doesn't leak and is paid for. If I can sell it I might do the weld-in thing.
I've thought about this but, from my limited reading, it seems like a lot of bent pushrod issues stem from stuck valves or hydrolock. If something is going wrong enough to bend the rod, I'd rather the rod be bent vs the energy being directed to more expensive components. Would welcome more input though.
How is the plate from your T4 kit going to interface with the tapped oil supply and drain holes? Just drill the holes in the plate big enough to go around the fittings screwed directly into the block?
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That’s a good idea too. Just check to see if you have enough room in front of the starter to the crossmember to slide the starter onto the studs. My Denso starter sits within a quarter inch of the crossmember when mounted.
How is the plate from your T4 kit going to interface with the tapped oil supply and drain holes? Just drill the holes in the plate big enough to go around the fittings screwed directly into the block?
How is the plate from your T4 kit going to interface with the tapped oil supply and drain holes? Just drill the holes in the plate big enough to go around the fittings screwed directly into the block?
Yeah I'd drill out the plate enough to accommodate the fittings. I think I'll still use the valley oil drain because presents less obstruction than the factory location.
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I’m not sure if fire rings are necessary, but I know fresh head gaskets and studs didn’t hold up in my truck. From what I understood from swamps if you are building big boost if you add studs to virgin sealed heads( factory) then you are good to 60 lbs of boost but with fresh build I believe you might be on the threshold. But I’m no expert
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Solid plan.
Torque on exhaust manifold bolts is only 45ft lbs. After seeing so many useless rusty bolts on exhaust manifolds and up-pipes, I don’t think this is a bad idea. I do not think exhaust manifold gaskets are a good idea though. I’ve removed many of these because they were blown out.
Definitely de-lipped and ceramic coated piston tops and Teflon skirts.
I feel like 160/30 is the perfect injector. Expect 320-350hp in a daily driver/tow tune that is FUN to drive and plenty of power for towing. With good tunes and your 363sxe, EGT should never be a problem and no smoke in DD/tow tunes.
Get a weld-in dipstick flange and consider having a new oil pan professionally sprayed with bedliner.
Torque on exhaust manifold bolts is only 45ft lbs. After seeing so many useless rusty bolts on exhaust manifolds and up-pipes, I don’t think this is a bad idea. I do not think exhaust manifold gaskets are a good idea though. I’ve removed many of these because they were blown out.
Definitely de-lipped and ceramic coated piston tops and Teflon skirts.
I feel like 160/30 is the perfect injector. Expect 320-350hp in a daily driver/tow tune that is FUN to drive and plenty of power for towing. With good tunes and your 363sxe, EGT should never be a problem and no smoke in DD/tow tunes.
Get a weld-in dipstick flange and consider having a new oil pan professionally sprayed with bedliner.
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Why not just have my current oil-pan bed-lined? Was also going to do valve covers too; have heard they can help quiet engine noise.
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FYI...
Link 1: https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...l#post20089405
Link 2: https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...l#post20095001
Nothing more to add other than good luck and we are looking forward to the pictures, story and a victory post.
Link 1: https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...l#post20089405
Link 2: https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...l#post20095001
Nothing more to add other than good luck and we are looking forward to the pictures, story and a victory post.
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I wasn't planning on getting the piston machining done. It's not cheap and, after talking with the coating company, I feel the coating itself should provide adequate protection against heat induced cracks.
Why not just have my current oil-pan bed-lined? Was also going to do valve covers too; have heard they can help quiet engine noise.
Why not just have my current oil-pan bed-lined? Was also going to do valve covers too; have heard they can help quiet engine noise.
Not sure I’d put much stock in noise reduction, but it can’t hurt. The common failure mode is oil pan paint gets compromised from rock chips, etc and then grease/mud traps moisture - inducing corrosion. The bedliner resists the coating failure that initiates this process.
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If your pan isn’t deteriorated, you can have it prepped and painted. New Spectra oil pan (Canadian) is about $100 and requires very little prep to apply the bedliner. The pans I’ve done this to look just like they did in the pics above several years later.
Not sure I’d put much stock in noise reduction, but it can’t hurt. The common failure mode is oil pan paint gets compromised from rock chips, etc and then grease/mud traps moisture - inducing corrosion. The bedliner resists the coating failure that initiates this process.
’Good’ rods are over $2k alone. I might consider cryo’ed forged rods as an upgrade if it wasn’t too much $$$. The aftermarket cams have mixed reviews. Not sure it’s worth it? Stiffer valve springs probably don’t have an advantage at <400 peak HP and likely increase wear on lifters, etc.
Not sure I’d put much stock in noise reduction, but it can’t hurt. The common failure mode is oil pan paint gets compromised from rock chips, etc and then grease/mud traps moisture - inducing corrosion. The bedliner resists the coating failure that initiates this process.
’Good’ rods are over $2k alone. I might consider cryo’ed forged rods as an upgrade if it wasn’t too much $$$. The aftermarket cams have mixed reviews. Not sure it’s worth it? Stiffer valve springs probably don’t have an advantage at <400 peak HP and likely increase wear on lifters, etc.
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