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Old Feb 27, 2022 | 11:20 AM
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Wow, thanks for all the replies, you guys are such a great resource.
I'll tell 'ya though, I have used this tire shop for the longest time and have the greatest respect for them, but then I see 79 weights on a rim.... So......Hmmm... It's a got me a wondering.

I'll wait to see what BFG has to say... If that is unsatisfactory the next step will be to take them all to another shop and let them give them a spin. When the problems persists, I'll inquiry about the balance beads.

I suppose in the end if everything else fails, all four of the tires will become a Craigslist special and I will FOREVER move on to another brand. Being one who is highly detail oriented, all these excessive weights on my brand new shiny rims, might just as well be Triceratops size turd on the hood of my freshly waxed car.

Looking back, it's been such a hassle with this tire company since day one.
For the sad- sobbing backstory portion of our journey here, let us be enlightened by ten of the smallest violins playing softly in the background:
I had been researching tires and rims for my project for a couple years prior to purchase. Sizes, brands, promotions, hundreds of styles, backspacing, etc- all the good stuff, just waiting for what seemed like the best overall good deal.

At the time, the Covid PaNiC! was just starting and tires prices started to climb at a regular rate. BFG had a $50 per set rebate promotion at the time (yeah not much) so I pulled the $1,000+ trigger as prices continued to climb. I applied for the rebate and it was rejected because they said Amazon (the worlds largest online retailer) was not included as a dealer in the offering.

Well, $50 ante going to make much difference in my ol' wallet and most definitely not in theirs, but it sure made an crater size impression about BFG customer service.
Long story short, Amazon honored the rebate themselves and I got a credit for it. Thank You very much Amazon, but it still left a rotten taste in the mouth for BFG.

Now this balancing fiasco...
Maybe BF will make good, maybe not.... Maybe I'll be surprised.

I originally wanted General Grabber AT2 tires that I have used for decades, but they have sadly been discontinued.
General only had 33's in a 10.5 as a mud tire, and for a Grabber replacement- a AT/X in 33x12.50R15.

The truck is being built for a winter rig, we can see a good amount of ice, and at times a foot+ of snow, so a snow rating with winter drive-ability is a top priority. Not showing up for work in the overnight hours on un-plowed streets is not an option.

My previous Generals in 31x10.5 were ~THE~ perfect snow tire in every way and they lasted forever. I wanted a bit taller tire for this new truck, so 33's were on target. My research indicated that a 12.5 wide tire would sit more on top the snow than cut through it, so the decision was made for 33x10.5R15, sadly eliminating the General brand.

I'd be glad to hear any winter rated recommendations for 33's in other brands, just in case this all goes down the tubes...








 
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Originally Posted by 6805eagleguy
Hey i know that truck lol
I hate to see that truck in that position. A lot of hard work went in to it.

Originally Posted by tbear853
I wonder why?
You have alot of valid points, I am just going off the years of different experiences and input from a very seasoned tire seller, installer and balancer that I use. And he is a old school tire shop. He brought up all the same points, but more as negatives. I have not had to use balance beads, me and him just had a very lengthy discussion about them when I picked up my new tires. I trust what that guy has to say, but you do bring up alot of the other side of the coin. I appreciate the input, what brand of airsoft pellets do you use?

As far as lead clip on weights... who wants then stuck on the outside of a nice new shiny rim. Pretty much no one now days, that is why stick on and inside the rim balance methods seem to be the norm, as I see it anyway.

I have seen and use the heavily painted or some kind of coated lead weights in the old school inside and outside rim edge application.
 
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Old Feb 27, 2022 | 12:00 PM
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"knightfire83" isn't going to know if they are balanced right ... or not right ... until he drives them.

No one here can look at those pictures and venture more than a guess as to whether they are now balance correctly or incorrectly.

In Nov 2019 I bought 4 new Pirelli Scorpion tires, 275-55R20 for my '07 at Discount Tire, they installed, balanced them. One or more missed the mark, I had a slight and annoying vibration, but I put a few hundred miles on it, then I took it back. They pulled and checked every one of them, Same machine, different fellow operating it, all zeros. I drove the truck home, still had an annoying slight vibration, no change. I pulled around to my shop area, pulled each one off in turn, rolled them into the basement, broke the bead loose on the outside or face side only so the tire did not rotate on the rim, and I inserted just 5 ounces of those Airsoft Red Jacket .22 Cal Airsoft BBs in each, then I re-inflated the tire. I don't know if it is just maybe a better blend of balanced air or if it was those crafty BBs, but I do know the annoying vibration is gone. I ain't seen a dot on any of them yet, I know all of the weights are stuck on inside the wheel, some immediately behind the face, some over next to the inner side bead.


 
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Old Feb 27, 2022 | 08:08 PM
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I worked my way through most of my junior (now community) college years as a tire changer. This was back in the mid 60s so everything was manual. Thus I had no trouble at all keeping my weight down. Customers would complain and we would try to figure out if it was the nut in front of the wheel or the nut behind the wheel if you know what I mean. One time I removed a problematic tire and easily found the cause of the customer complaint - I found a complete flashlight inside the tire. Removing the flashlight and (bubble) rebalancing the tire made the customer happy. He came back and gave me a 25 cent tip, big money in those days but the gratitude was even more valuable. Reading this thread I am so glad that I moved on to bigger and better things.
 
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Old Feb 27, 2022 | 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by 77&79F250
I appreciate the input, what brand of airsoft pellets do you use?
I think I bought my two tubs at a K-mart that was closing, but this here is them. 454 grams is a pond. Each BB weighs 0.15 grams, so 3,026 BBs in a pound, and 189 in a single ounce. 5 ounces weight is 945 BBs, I just weigh out whatever I decide is a proper dose. 10,000 in the keg weighs 1,500 grams or just over 3 pounds of self-distributing weights. I know they don't start working until 30 mph or so, but then I never felt tires shake under that.
Amazon.com : Red Jacket 6mm Airsoft BB's, Red, 10000 Count : Sports & Outdoors.
I have been using flatter painted steel stick on weight when I use them lately.

I too wish he was happy. I know maybe just a little of the work, but before I'd get upset over numbers of weights, many of which are counter to others 180 degrees away and across the wheel on the far edge as if balancing some non-concentric imbalance, I'd take them for a drive. They likely are smooth as silk. They sure do look super.
 
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Old Feb 28, 2022 | 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by speedfreak78
If they were any good they would've rotated the tires on the rims to get as close to balanced as possible before adding weights. That's one of the things done with road force balancing






It seems like recently, last year or two, I've been reading more stories about BFG tires and balancing issues where people had to get multiple replacements before getting one that would balance right.
speedfreak is right on with this and...the dot on the tire and valve stem location may or may not be relevant.
 
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