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Old Feb 2, 2022 | 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by 4wd6.7L
That chart is not accurate, but still doesn't explain why you would have additional springs. The 5th wheel prep doesn't add any springs. What options do you have? Camper pkg would give one additional leaf, but aso would include a rear sway bar and be on your window sticker. Tremor package includes 5 leafs (2 more than standard F-250). The high capacity tow package is only available with the diesel, so it's not that, but it does include the 5 leaf pack.
MY truck is 2022 f250 Lariat Value with 7.3L 4.3 gear ratio, black appearance package, fifth wheel prep. Maybe the gear ratio?
 
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Old Feb 2, 2022 | 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by killarneygetaway
MY truck is 2022 f250 Lariat Value with 7.3L 4.3 gear ratio, black appearance package, fifth wheel prep. Maybe the gear ratio?
What do your stickers say for payload? Sounds pretty coast to mine, which I'm still waiting for...
 
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Old Feb 3, 2022 | 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by BigUnixGeek
What do your stickers say for payload? Sounds pretty coast to mine, which I'm still waiting for...


I'm in Canada so get the GVWR of 9900.
 
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Old Feb 3, 2022 | 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by killarneygetaway
MY truck is 2022 f250 Lariat Value with 7.3L 4.3 gear ratio, black appearance package, fifth wheel prep. Maybe the gear ratio?
4.30 ratio is the Dana M275 axle, which is physically larger than the Sterling axles. Perhaps that does require the 5 spring pack. That is what is on the gas Tremor.
 
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Old Feb 3, 2022 | 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by doyall
4.30 ratio is the Dana M275 axle, which is physically larger than the Sterling axles. Perhaps that does require the 5 spring pack. That is what is on the gas Tremor.
Perhaps except I have the 4 spring pack (3+1). Thinking this is the only thing that would add the overload/auxillary spring. Nothing else on my truck would make a difference on spring pack. The online build tool doesn't indicate anywhere that a leaf is added like it does for camper or snow plow packages.

Normally I would be like "BONUS" but in my case I had purchased some RAS for the simplicity of the install prior to getting the truck and that simplicity went out the window as I know have to remove the overload which means changing the u-bolts so another $200ish in costs.
 
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Old Feb 3, 2022 | 08:25 AM
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I love that the Canadian version of the payload sticker doesn't have a payload info on it, just tire info. Just demonstrates how incredibly important that number must be...LOL

Tires are usually the actual limiting factor. My rear tires are good for 4080 each, the axle is good for more than that (9750 lbs). This allows for around 5200 lbs in the bed without overloading the tires or the axle. That would be what it could actually haul if the sticker police didn't exist...
 
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Old Feb 3, 2022 | 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by RidgwaySD
I love that the Canadian version of the payload sticker doesn't have a payload info on it, just tire info. Just demonstrates how incredibly important that number must be...LOL

Tires are usually the actual limiting factor. My rear tires are good for 4080 each, the axle is good for more than that. This allows for around 5000 lbs in the bed without overloading the tires or the axle. That would be what it could actually haul if the sticker police didn't exist...
Isn't that what the indicated number is? The word "Payload" is not used anywhere but in essence, that is this number.

 
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Old Feb 3, 2022 | 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by killarneygetaway
Isn't that what the indicated number is? The word "Payload" is not used anywhere but in essence, that is this number.
Yes, that's the payload rating.
 
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Old Feb 3, 2022 | 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by killarneygetaway
Isn't that what the indicated number is? The word "Payload" is not used anywhere but in essence, that is this number.
Just noticing the differences. In the US we get a big payload number and everybody seems to want to key in on that as some sort of gospel. The OP's question is, how much can it really haul? It can really haul a lot more than what the "payload" sticker says. What the sticker really does is tell you how much the stock tires are rated for, no more. Then people read all sorts of insanity into the stickers purpose.


 
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Old Feb 3, 2022 | 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by RidgwaySD
Just noticing the differences. In the US we get a big payload number and everybody seems to want to key in on that as some sort of gospel. The OP's question is, how much can it really haul? It can really haul a lot more than what the "payload" sticker says. What the sticker really does is tell you how much the stock tires are rated for, no more. Then people read all sorts of insanity into the stickers purpose.
Ah. OK. That would be due to Canada's Language laws of having both official languages on any official documentation. I guess to get all that info on that line, they just made the font smaller. I see what you mean though. On your sticker, the number jumps out whereas on mine it is just like any other number on that sticker.

I do agree, that whole payload number sticker argument is ridiculous. As stated many times it is all about regulations. My exact same truck in the US would have a GVWR of 10,000lbs making the payload 100lbs more but because in Canada, the registration class changes at 4500kg which is 9920lbs. So in Canada that gets rounded down to 9900lbs.

I asked a police officer friend of mine once, if he pulled someone over, do they check vehicle weights etc. His response was "I wouldn't even know what to look at". Basically, he said, if you look overloaded, he will call in the Ministry to check. If it looks safe, he doesn't care. Commercial. A whole different story though. The Ministry of Transportation has their own enforcement crews that deal with commercial vehicles and I have never seen a non-commercial vehicle pulled over for inspection like they do with commercial. Yes, if you are driving down the highway with your back end scraping pavement because you are overloaded, you will most likely get nailed. If you look safe, drive safe and are safe, you will be fine. Can't speak to if there is an accident though. Insurance adjusters are always looking for reasons not to pay out. I have no facts or experience with this either way. Just something to keep in mind.
 
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Old Feb 3, 2022 | 02:52 PM
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And that's really what I'm trying to figure out. Is 10K a real number or a made up number. If made up, how do I calculate the real number so as not to exceed it.
The payload capacity helps distinguish a truck’s “class” rather than its real-world capability. At 10,001 lbs the truck enters a higher "class" which makes it subject to different rules, fees, license requirements, etc which vary by state/country.

(so if this has already be stated...didn't read all replies)
 
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Old Feb 3, 2022 | 04:06 PM
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Back to the how much could it really carry, regardless of the stickers, which I think was the question. The Sterling rear axle is supposedly good for 9750 lbs load. It has always been the tires. Stock tires and pressures dictate the rated loading limits. My upgraded tires have a combined rating of 8160 lbs still well under the actual axle capacity. Even loaded to my tires limit that would be around 5300 lbs, loaded to axle capacity closing in on 7000 lbs. These trucks have a lot more capacity than they are rated for. Obviously this is an extreme example but there is substantial reserve capacity built into the trucks.
 
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Old Feb 3, 2022 | 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by riltri
The payload capacity helps distinguish a truck’s “class” rather than its real-world capability. At 10,001 lbs the truck enters a higher "class" which makes it subject to different rules, fees, license requirements, etc which vary by state/country.

(so if this has already be stated...didn't read all replies)

Yep. There are something like 31 states that use the GVWR on the little white sticker for registration purposes. Truck classifications have Class 3 medium duty starting at 10,001, below that they are light duty trucks. Some F250/2500 trucks are over the Class 2b rating and are in Class 3 Medium duty because their GVWR is 10,500 or more. F250 HCTT and GM 2500 models come to mind.
 
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Old Feb 3, 2022 | 06:10 PM
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my 250 it says on my sticker its 9900 gvwr but the truck lable reads 10k



 
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Old Feb 3, 2022 | 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by riltri
The payload capacity helps distinguish a truck’s “class” rather than its real-world capability. At 10,001 lbs the truck enters a higher "class" which makes it subject to different rules, fees, license requirements, etc which vary by state/country.

(so if this has already be stated...didn't read all replies)
True. The F450 pickup is rated at 14k to keep it in class, the C&C goes up to 16.5k, I believe.
 
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