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Old Oct 8, 2021 | 01:52 PM
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4x4 issue

I have a 2003 7.3 and am having problems with the 4 wheel drive. I can turn the 4x4 switch and it will automatically go into 4 wheel high with the 4x4 light on the instrument panel. When I try to place it into low, it goes back to 2x4 and there are no lights on the instrument panel. Need help please.
 
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Old Oct 8, 2021 | 01:56 PM
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Just to be clear, you have the transmission in P or N and your foot on the brake when going to 4x4 LOW right?

If that doesn't work, you can try to work through the Ford Service Manual pinpoint test linked below.

Link: https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/a...8&d=1579914736

There is also a wealth of information under "axles and hubs" in the 7.3L PSD Tech Folder linked below.

Link: https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...-7-3l-psd.html
 
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Old Oct 8, 2021 | 02:48 PM
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Just to be clear, you have the transmission in P or N and your foot on the brake when going to 4x4 LOW right?
That was my first thought.....it needs to be in neutral when shifting into 4 low. Park has never worked for me on the 4 trucks I have owned.
I thought I had an issue until I realized that one. (spelled out right on my visor)
 
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Old Oct 8, 2021 | 03:48 PM
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That was my first thought.....it needs to be in neutral when shifting into 4 low. Park has never worked for me on the 4 trucks I have owned.
I thought I had an issue until I realized that one. (spelled out right on my visor)
You are probably right about N. I have a ZF6, so I was not 100% certain.

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Old Oct 8, 2021 | 05:37 PM
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I did have it in neutral but can't remember if I was pushing on the brake. Will check tomorrow.
 
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Old Oct 8, 2021 | 06:40 PM
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If that were the case it would just stay in 4x4, not shift back to 2x

Do you have any friends with a 4x4 switch you can borrow for troubleshooting?

If not, there are a bunch of tests to do to narrow it down to switch, encoder, or module.
 
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Old Oct 8, 2021 | 06:51 PM
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kbeefy brings up a good point as well, but I was hoping that you were misreading the result of attempting to switch to 4x4 LOW. The pinpoint test by Ford I linked above will walk you through what you need to accomplish in order to identify the issue of a friends parts do not help you out if you are still seeing an issue.

Just for keeping things legal, I took the snips below from the owners manual.



 
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Old Oct 13, 2021 | 01:57 PM
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Ok, so my current problem is when I switch from 4x4 high into 4x4 low. When switching, I hear a noise from the engine compt somewhere. Then I lose 4 wheel drive altogether and no lights. In order to get back into 4x4 high, I have to turn the truck completely off and restart it. Once I do that, I can switch into 4x4 high again. All visual inspections look good, I switched the relays too.
 
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When switching, I hear a noise from the engine compt somewhere. Then I lose 4 wheel drive altogether and no lights. In order to get back into 4x4 high, I have to turn the truck completely off and restart it. Once I do that, I can switch into 4x4 high again. All visual inspections look good, I switched the relays too.
maybe your shift motor or neutral switch? So you are in 4 hi, then go to neutral ( with foot on brake) you switch to 4 lo...you hear the relay........then do you try to drive forward? One of my first trucks needed to move forward a few feet before it would engage. I found that out by getting stuck on slippery mud once and ice the next time (embarrassing). If you wiggle the column shifter once in neutral, does it change anything? I know that was an issue with my FIL's truck.
Edit....try manually locking your hubs first
 
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Old Oct 13, 2021 | 02:27 PM
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Ok, so my current problem is when I switch from 4x4 high into 4x4 low. When switching, I hear a noise from the engine compt somewhere. Then I lose 4 wheel drive altogether and no lights. In order to get back into 4x4 high, I have to turn the truck completely off and restart it. Once I do that, I can switch into 4x4 high again. All visual inspections look good, I switched the relays too.
Swapping relays and observing "no lights" is good, but you need to run through the pinpoint test linked in post #2 above.

For example, one symptom description on page 15 in the document is as follows.



 
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Old Oct 13, 2021 | 03:05 PM
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Have you tested driving it with it in 4low to see if it is going and the light is not activating? It would be really slow in 1st gear, preferably on dirt.
 
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I have tried driving it and it is definitely not going into low.
 
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Old Oct 14, 2021 | 04:32 AM
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Swapping relays and observing "no lights" is good, but you need to run through the pinpoint test linked in post #2 above.

For example, one symptom description on page 15 in the document is as follows.

Is there a diagram of the location of these sensors?
 
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Old Oct 14, 2021 | 04:32 AM
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Also, what is mss and pids?
 
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Old Oct 14, 2021 | 06:15 AM
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@barko4

MSS = Mode Selector Switch i.e. the ESOF, 4x4, other misnomers switch on your dash.
PID = Parameter Identification i.e. the various readings one can get by using a compatible scanner or OBD reading device. For example: ICP (Injection Control Pressure), TFT (Transmission Fluid Temperature).

I suggest you get a free copy of the FSM (Ford Service Manual) from Sous at this thread: https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...ce-manual.html
Then read this thread on how to use it: https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...-diagrams.html
It will tell you component locations like the sensors you are asking about above.
 
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