Congrats Bill...they'll see you coming in that color. What upgrades are you planning???

 

Tim...dealers are independent business men...they ultimately set the prices they charge. They're not playing games...they are getting what the market will bear. Why should they settle for MSRP or less when there are plenty of people willing to pay more??? If you were the dealer...would you accept $31090 for the above truck if someone else was willing to pay...say... $34090???

 

I understand and appreciate your bias on this post as you are or have been in the business.

There was a time and perhaps it still exists where John Deere and Maytag and others would not allow the big box retailers such as Lowes and Home Depot to mess with their pricing, not even a discount for military / 1st responder. That's fair and keeps it the same for everyone.

To me, bumping the price of a new car 10% is just as underhanded and low down as Home Depot raising the prices of plywood due to an incoming hurricane. The market will bear it because the only alternative is to go without.

Well, I'm good for a few years and I'll wait and watch but I'll buy nothing until things settle out, if ever.

 

I would never pay the prices they're getting either...but...then again I would never buy a new vehicle. I remember when the Shelby Mustangs GT500 came out back in the 2007 model year...we took "pre orders" from 15 people...price to be determined. When the first one arrived the going price was MSRP PLUS $20,000. We went down our list...called them with the offer...and...only had to make 2 calls before we had a buyer. The second one to arrive...we did the same thing...made it to the second buyer on the list.

Liken it to todays real estate market. It's highly unusual to see a house sell for asking price...most are selling for much more. A realtor friend of mine had an open house on a brand new 1008 sq ft ranch...3 BR/2BA...built on a half acre of land by the local Tech School over the past 2 years. She had an Open House yesterday...before the day was over she had 6 written offers. List price way $250,000...highest offer...so far...$325,000. The person who wrote that offer left a $100,000 deposit check...all cash offer...7 day close. It would be pretty stupid to sell it for any less than a customer is willing to pay.

By the way...I'm no longer in the business...been retired for almost 6 years now.

 

Ken,

The only upgrade I'm planning is a tonneau cover and (maybe) a tailgate light bar. Velocity Blue is very close to Ford 1969 Acapulco Blue and 1969 Corvette LeMans Blue, both colors I like.

This truck was an opportunistic purchase. Thursday morning, I broached the topic with my wife about possibly selling a 1998 Jeep Cherokee we'd purchased as a spare vehicle because it has proven to be a money pit. I'd heard about the Maverick and read up on it. I also looked at used 2020 +/- Rangers, but the pricing on the used Rangers was pretty close to the brand new Maverick when comparably equipped.

In the process of doing some research, I spotted this one at Gervais Ford in Ayer so we went up to look at it and ended up buying it then and there. We picked it up on Friday. During that time, the dealer had several other people calling to see if it was still available.

Like one of the other posters, I won't pay over MSRP for a new vehicle but I can accept paying MSRP when a vehicle is in short supply and I don't want to wait for production to bring the prices down.

 

I don't think you will ever see fixed prices in the new car market. The competition is too stiff. Chrysler started this rebate stuff back in the 80s and the amounts rise and fall based on sales numbers vs inventory. Even before rebates, dealers were making their own deals and if you got to be a regular customer, they would treat you very well. Those days are done. Now we have dealer franchises and chains. Huge mega volume dealers. Second sale F&I departments in almost every dealer. When a customer walks in, the hogs start waddling to the trough to feed. I hate, hate, hate buying new and often frustrate most sales guys until I find one who understands how easy it is to make a sale if they just shoot straight and don't bull**** me. Just give me a bottom line number. The problem is that I never develop a relationship with a sales guy because I keep my vehicles for too long these days.

 

Sounds like you were in the right place at the right time. As mentioned above...I'm not a new vehicle buyer...only bought one new one in my life about 40 years ago.

The fact is that very few if any dealerships make any money selling new cars...their profit centers are the F&I Department along with the Service and Parts Departments. If they have a body shop...that's another good profit center. The last dozen or so years of my career...I only talked to a new customer if they were referred to me by an existing customer or friend or relative. Many of the relationships I built up over the years have continued well into retirement.

 

I wouldn't have that much of an issue paying MSRP if the dealer were to sweeten the pot with a very nice ESP with a 100K and 7 year term and some goodies such as a bed cover or other upgrades.

I got nearly $11K off my new Explorer Limited. I'm also an opportunistic buyer and I don't mind if a car has been sitting for a while or has been test driven a lot. The dealer agreed to extend the warranties out so I would get the actual 36,000 B2B and 60,000 powertrain plus the miles already logged on the car. That was just between the dealer and me.

Bottom line is, if you as the dealer can't make me feel as though I won, I won't buy.

 

Actually, if it’s untitled it's sold as new. Even if it has several hundred or even a couple thousand miles. The warranty starts when delivered to the first retail customer. At least that’s my understanding.

 

The date on the warranty starts the day it is sold...the mileage starts from zero.

 

Yes, from the factory but, my buyers contract states that the dealer will honor the warranty to 36000 and 60000 miles beyond the odometer reading at 5the time of purchase. This is on the dealer, not Ford.

 

Ok. Must be a dealer thing. The last 5 new trucks I bought were all from the same dealer, since 2005. That’s what they’ve always done. But we’re talking no more than about 150 miles at most on one of them.

 

Hope there are New lines of them on the Lots to sell by 2023 ! Think 2022 is a lust for bust year ! at Stealerships. All I see are 10 used F150 from 2018 to 2013 sitting on them !
Ya just got to love a new truck payment on a 5 year old truck.

 

Just spotted this from a Tuner !TunePlus, Inc Maverick R&D

• Thread starterLudachris
• Start dateWednesday at 6:19 PM

- Dyno + Tune
- Roof wrap
- Coilover update

Got the truck on the dyno yesterday for some preliminary testing. Got our baseline in on 100% stock tune, only change to the truck that would effect the numbers are the wheels. However the wheels were on the truck for both baseline and initial tuning so the delta is what is most important. I would guess it would have a slightly lower number if I put the stock wheels back on it as they are taller and a little more heavy.

Dyno'ing this truck proved to be a little difficult as there isn't a manual mode or paddle shifters so keeping it in the gear I want for pulls isn't possible in factory form. Additionally this isn't an AWD all the time setup, this truck is AWD when it "needs to be". It is mostly FWD and the RDU (Rear Differential Unit) kicks on as needed based on torque input, steering wheel angle, and most importantly wheel speed ratio from front the rear. If the front wheels are spinning faster than the rear then it detects this as loss of traction and will engage the rear diff as needed.

We work on a linked dynojet dyno so the rollers spin at the same speed, so theoretically the truck should be fine because all 4 wheels are spinning at the same speed. However on the Focus RS we have to put it in Dyno Mode which is FWD only in order to dyno tune them because even with the wheels spinning at the same speed they still freak out. This was the same case for the Maverick, however on the RS it will turn the RDU off but on the Maverick it stayed on so we were able to do the entire session in AWD mode without any issues besides the dash lit up like a Christmas tree.

For the gear solution I was able to dig and find the coding for diagnostics testing that Ford uses themselves. From there I found a switch for locking the truck in a specific gear and it won't allow it to upshift or downshift. I stuck the truck in 4th (5th would work just as well and show slightly higher numbers) to keep the overall speed down for less wear and tear on the dyno brakes and the truck itself.

By the way, when the calibration is told to run a single gear that is all it will do. So when we went to pull it off the dyno it didn't have reverse and I was a little confused. We pushed it out of the shop and tried to see if driving it around fixed it. Then I realized, damnit I forgot to turn off the test lock haha. It only had 4th! lol.

I have attached a picture of the baseline numbers along with my first tune changes to show what we picked up on a 100% stock truck.

Stock - 201whp/257wtq
v100 Tune - 227whp/289wtq

Gain - 26whp/32wtq

Not to shabby of a gain, but there is definitely more to be had. I ran into some setbacks and need to work with HPTuners to get some changes added to the software and need access to a few different tables. Once we get that sorted out I believe we will be able to pick up another 10-15whp on 93oct.

Unfortunately the turbo is pretty much maxed out right off the get go. On the stock tune the truck in the top end has the turbo at 100% from 5000-7000rpm. So any BIG gains this truck will ever see in it's life is not going to be from airflow it is going to be from timing and running a higher octane fuel or ethanol. This is pretty much the case with all 2.0L Ecoboost engines. Focus ST for example soon as it hits peak torque at 3000rpm, the tune is commanding 100% from the turbo and it just keeps dropping off all the way to redline.

I believe with an E30 tune or E85 (once we do fuel system upgrades) this truck will see a max of 260-275whp on the stock turbo even with upgrades. This truck will likely see ZERO gain from a downpipe, and the intake will likely make no difference with a tune. We may see a max of 5-10whp gain with an aftermarket intercooler in the future once we develop one.

So if anyone has a dream of a 300whp+ Maverick you'll have to wait until we get a turbo upgrade option on the market along with some bolt ons. I'm not going to stop until this thing kills the transmission which I'm going to guess is going to be around 350-400whp but lets hope not!

I'll be back on the dyno in about a week or so to wrap up our 93oct tune offering for 100% stock truck, then we will start on our E30 tune. I expect to have pump/injectors made and ready to go for this before the end of the year then we will see what it does on E85 but I'm going to guess no more than what we are going to be able to make on E30. However I'm planning for the future with turbo upgrades and built engines 😁.

Now onto the roof wrap. The other day when I posted up pictures of our truck getting some tint someone wanted to see what the roof would look like wrapped black. Well, luckily the shop next to ours is a wrap shop and I just walked over and said "hey, do the roof on the Maverick in gloss black. K THANKS!

An hour later it was done, and it definitely is something I would recommend. I have the front windshield tinted and having the roof wrapped makes it look like a continuation of the windshield and it just flows better in my opinion. Again, that is just me, you might not like it but I do so I do what I want!

Lastly, first parts for our Coilover production came in yesterday. A little too late to get them on the truck yesterday after being on the dyno. Then today I'm working from home to spend some time with my son so we will likely get the truck up on the lift tomorrow and start test fitting the first batch of parts we got. I'm crossing my fingers that we can get something road-ready tomorrow because I can't stand driving this mini "monster truck" with the temporary wheels on it. I want to get this thing on the ground and toss the wheels I have set aside for it. I think it's going to look sick!

P.S. - Brake upgrades might be coming sooner than expected. Not many people are going to look at this truck and think it needs brakes but with us trying to expand the horizon on this platform and get more "performance enthusiasts" interested in it, I think brakes are going to be a common upgrade. We will see!

 

This may mean better turbo added to the Maverick will equal better outputs with the above mentioned tuning !


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(Unfortunately the turbo is pretty much maxed out right off the get go. On the stock tune the truck in the top end has the turbo at 100% from 5000-7000rpm. So any BIG gains this truck will ever see in it's life is not going to be from airflow it is going to be from timing and running a higher octane fuel or ethanol. This is pretty much the case with all 2.0L Ecoboost engines. Focus ST for example soon as it hits peak torque at 3000rpm, the tune is commanding 100% from the turbo and it just keeps dropping off all the way to redline.) At this point I am wondering about Front wheel drive Hybrid model !