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Old May 12, 2021 | 03:01 AM
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Transmission Problems - RV won't move

Hey!
this is my first thread - i am searching for some help with my 1999 E350 6,8L Super Duty RV which i am driving here in Germany. (VIN: 1FDWE30S5XHB83370) and i can't get any help over here.

This happend:
i went to the yearly safety inspection and we need to complete an emission test over here. So far everything was fine - car was driving great. Emission test was done like this: 2500-2700RPM for 30Seconds and gear in neutral - Emissions from exhaust are recorded. This is being done about 4-5 times in a row. Afterwards the inspector turned off the engine and left the car in neutral. 5 Min later i got in the car - put it in park, started and wanted to drive off. Nothing... Engine is running normal, Transmission won't drive forward. Reverse is normal.
Therefore my problem: The car will only drive backwards - no forward movement at all. You can't even here or feel the transmission shifting into D,1 or 2.

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Ford E350 1999, Four Winds RV, V10 6,8 Triton, Transmission: (i think) 4R100 with overdrive

What have i done so far?
- checked the error codes - no codes stored
- checked the ohms on the solenoid - all in range
- took of the pan and looked inside - fluid was really dirty - especially in the torque converter
- only minor wear found on the magnet, nothing else in the pan.
- had a few beer and thought about the problem - didn't help

Nobody here in Germany knows anything about this transmission type or the problem - i need to order all spare parts in the US and need to get them shipped. And i have no idea what the problem could be?
Does anyone have a clue what the problem might be or what i should check?



Thanks for your help!

Dominik


 
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Old May 12, 2021 | 05:16 AM
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The transmissions will have their own DTC's ("codes") requiring a more sophisticated scanner tool to retrieve them. I believe the free software FORScan can read the transmission's DTC's. Those are most certainly stored in the ECM.

Hopefully Mark Kovolsky will be alerted and come to your rescue here.

Good luck with this---hope its inexpensive and easily solved solved too.
 
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Old May 12, 2021 | 08:14 AM
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Forscan can read these codes. Codes won't help with this problem.

There are two possibilities. One, the feedbolts have loosened. This leaks pressure that should be feeding the clutches. No forward gears are the most likely symptom.

To check these, remove the pan and the main valve body. The feedbolts will be in the case and visible when the valve body is removed. If they are loose, you have found the problem. If they are all torque properly as is, then your problem is something broke inside the transmission. I could speculate on what broke, but the answer is to pull out the 4R100 transmission and replace or rebuild.
 
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Old May 12, 2021 | 11:26 AM
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ok - i will check the feedbolts and hope that these are loose. I will let you know once i am through with it.

getting the transmission rebuild over here is pretty much impossible - nobody knows anything about these transmissions. So i would have to do this myself and i am a little afraid of destroying the transmission.
I have an offer for a replacement transmission but i am not sure is this will fit.
My transmission tag has this info:
XC2P-FB; PRB-AF1 ; 0005981 ; BD-9D22
the replacement transmission has these details on the tag:
XC3P-DA; PRB-AR ; 00016390 ; BD-9D27
These transmissions are only 5 weeks apart from manufacturing, but i am not sure if they are the same as the serial numbers are over 10000 apart.

Thank you for our fast answer - i don't have a lot of people which can give me reliable information about the Ford E350 over here and therefore i am very thankful for your help.

Regards
Dominik
 
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Old May 12, 2021 | 01:05 PM
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Rather than trying to eat alphabet soup, it might be more helpful if you knew exactly what the replacement transmission came from.

Vehicle, engine, drive type would all play into knowing if it would work.

the short version, though, is that unless it came from something 2-wheel drive with a v10, it won’t work.
 
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Old May 12, 2021 | 01:21 PM
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Thanks Mike - that's actually what i was guessing. I believe that even the same transmission types and engines vary from the usage. A transmission used for a E350 Ambulance will be different from an RV as the requirements are different.
The problem ist that getting spare parts or replacements transmissions or here is searching fo a needle in a haystack. Therefore i am trying to figure our which parts i need to order to get my Ford rolling again. I guess i need a rebuild kit and redo the transmission myself. This is probably the best idea. A few month ago i ordered brake rotors - this cost me 300USD just for shipping. Maybe i should have bought an European RV even so this is pretty much as living in i tunacan.
I will keep you up to date
 
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Old May 12, 2021 | 02:01 PM
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Mark could speak to application better than I could. They may be more similar between an RV and a Dump truck than different, I’m not sure.

i do know that the 4x4 and 4x2 have different output shafts. The output shaft can be changed but it requires a tear down to do it.

i also know that the v8 Transmission won’t last long behind the v10. And that the diesel has a different bell housing pattern than the v10/v8. There are some options with switching internal parts from a diesel into your case that could make this work, but you are quickly approaching rebuilding it to make it happen.


best of luck.
 
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Old May 20, 2021 | 05:42 AM
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Short update for my transmission problem. I removed the transmission and brought it to a transmission shop specialized in US transmissions (300Miles away) and they are rebuilding the transmission now.
They have disassembled the transmission and checked all parts - and they found nothing... All clutches looked fine and they said that they cannot locate any problems. The transmission should work fine. It is being rebuild now and i will get it back in about 1 week. Then i will see if it will work or not.
The guys from the transmission shop said that the transmission was probably in "emergency mode" and in 4th gear. Due to the weight of the RV the transmission was not able to move the car. I don't know if this is possible or not. Further they said that is is most likely an electric problem somewhere else in the car. Any Ideas what i can check or maybe order and replace?
 
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Old May 20, 2021 | 06:33 AM
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I'm sure nobody checked to see if the feedbolts were loose. Now that the trans has been put back together it will probably work fine and we will have a mystery.
 
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Old May 20, 2021 | 06:37 AM
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Hi Mark, i asked the guys from the transmission shop if they were loose. They said no. But if the transmission will work - i will be happy. I will keep you up to date. Thanks for your help.
 
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Old May 31, 2021 | 04:09 AM
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i have got an update on my transmission problem. The transmission has been repaired and all wearing parts replaced. Everything looked pretty ok - normal wear. Solenoid was also changed. The only issue found was the gasket between the valve bodies and the transmission. It was torn at one place.
We reinstalled the transmission and filled it up with Mercon V.
Good thing - all gears are back. Bad thing - it shifts really hard now from 2nd to 3rd gear. I'll give it some tim and see if it changed or not. If not - i will probably ask for some more help.

Thanks for your help!

Dominik
 
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