Just to let people know, E.P.A. is looking at aftermarket products that are intended for off road use only. If you purchase these products, install it on a daily driver or over the road vehicles, both you and manufacture of products are liable under the clean air act. Have you all notice it is getting harder to purchase these products??

 

Yes, it has been discussed in various threads on this site. I recall some of the info also stated that even if you installed for strictly off road use it is still considered illegal in the eyes of the EPA.

 

I think California looks at things that way.

 

(Insert head shaking emoji here)



Done.

 

yes, the EPA has stated that if a vehicle came equipped with emissions equipment it is technically illegal to remove even if the vehicle is used strictly off road or racing. although the epa rarely targets individuals purchasing the parts. they go after the makers and sellers cause thats where the money is.

The EPA is planning on going after all types of defeat devices for the next 3 years.
https://www.epa.gov/enforcement/nati...es-and-engines
https://www.hemmings.com/stories/202...-device-makers

 

Good! I love clean air.

 

I'm surprised they haven't put the responsibility of this one on manufacturers. It would be very easy for Ford (or any manufacturer) to secure the systems in their vehicles so that a truck simply wouldn't run outside of manufacturers specs. Does the EPA really not know that Ford could lock out the deleting and tuning community by just hiring a few good software developers?

 

Very true, but the same people that can block it for Ford can unblock it for the general public as well

 

NEVER tell a software developer they can't do something. It will be hacked in short order.

 

Not necessarily. Security is not all in software, but also in encrypted 256-bit signature keys. The programmers and security key people are generally not the same, at least on projects similar to this that I've worked on.

It might be easier to create a circuit to spoof the sensors etc that are stolen.... but I think that might be illegal too.

 

Exactly. Encryption, key rotation, authenticed access to update systems and more. You would virtually have to build all custom modules. It wouldn't be too difficult to secure every module individually and authenticate them against the ECU for example. Non authentic ECU or software...Well, the transmission module says no way. I imagine you could make smarter sensors too.

 

I could be wrong, and often am according to my wife, but I keep hearing and reading that no one has been able to defeat Chrysler's MDS system.

 

Haha... security is a fallacy... as someone who has a close friend that does reverse engineering on hardware and software billions are spent convincing the masses they are safe.... reality is individuals are not targets, but if there is money to made defeating something it will be done.

This was struck down at one time, but just like all government intrusions they never sleep...

 

I hear a lot of new GM vehicles have encrypted ECM's.

 

Abolish the EPA!