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E.P.A.
Just to let people know, E.P.A. is looking at aftermarket products that are intended for off road use only. If you purchase these products, install it on a daily driver or over the road vehicles, both you and manufacture of products are liable under the clean air act. Have you all notice it is getting harder to purchase these products??
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Yes, it has been discussed in various threads on this site. I recall some of the info also stated that even if you installed for strictly off road use it is still considered illegal in the eyes of the EPA.
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I think California looks at things that way.
Cargo Master
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The EPA is planning on going after all types of defeat devices for the next 3 years.
https://www.epa.gov/enforcement/nati...es-and-engines
https://www.hemmings.com/stories/202...-device-makers
Last edited by Akley88; Oct 28, 2020 at 02:12 PM. Reason: additional info
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I'm surprised they haven't put the responsibility of this one on manufacturers. It would be very easy for Ford (or any manufacturer) to secure the systems in their vehicles so that a truck simply wouldn't run outside of manufacturers specs. Does the EPA really not know that Ford could lock out the deleting and tuning community by just hiring a few good software developers?
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Tuned
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I'm surprised they haven't put the responsibility of this one on manufacturers. It would be very easy for Ford (or any manufacturer) to secure the systems in their vehicles so that a truck simply wouldn't run outside of manufacturers specs. Does the EPA really not know that Ford could lock out the deleting and tuning community by just hiring a few good software developers?
Very true, but the same people that can block it for Ford can unblock it for the general public as well
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I'm surprised they haven't put the responsibility of this one on manufacturers. It would be very easy for Ford (or any manufacturer) to secure the systems in their vehicles so that a truck simply wouldn't run outside of manufacturers specs. Does the EPA really not know that Ford could lock out the deleting and tuning community by just hiring a few good software developers?
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It might be easier to create a circuit to spoof the sensors etc that are stolen.... but I think that might be illegal too.
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Not necessarily. Security is not all in software, but also in encrypted 256-bit signature keys. The programmers and security key people are generally not the same, at least on projects similar to this that I've worked on.
It might be easier to create a circuit to spoof the sensors etc that are stolen.... but I think that might be illegal too.
It might be easier to create a circuit to spoof the sensors etc that are stolen.... but I think that might be illegal too.
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I'm surprised they haven't put the responsibility of this one on manufacturers. It would be very easy for Ford (or any manufacturer) to secure the systems in their vehicles so that a truck simply wouldn't run outside of manufacturers specs. Does the EPA really not know that Ford could lock out the deleting and tuning community by just hiring a few good software developers?
This was struck down at one time, but just like all government intrusions they never sleep...
