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I have my tires rotated at Costco every 4K and my sensors were spot on and acted just like they did before the rotation.
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Ford TPMS are not trained through the OBD2 port, they use a hand held tool. Also they will not figure out what corner of the vehicle each particular wheel is on, if they are rotated they must be retrained to the new correct position, you are very unlikely to notice this on passenger vehicles since the front and rear tire pressure is the same, this is imported because on F250+ the front and back have different tire pressures, you have to adjust the tire pressures after rotating tires and then retrained the sensors to the new position.
If the TPMS are not retrained then the F250 module trained that TPMS A was on the right rear tire which is at 70PSI, then when that tire is moved to the right front and the pressure is correctly adjusted to 50PSI then the computer is being told by TPMS A the tire is at 50PSI and the module says ohh dear TPMS A is on the right rear which should be above 60PSI so now I will turn on the warning light.
If that is confusing I will try to explain it more thoroughly and less confusingly.
If the TPMS are not retrained then the F250 module trained that TPMS A was on the right rear tire which is at 70PSI, then when that tire is moved to the right front and the pressure is correctly adjusted to 50PSI then the computer is being told by TPMS A the tire is at 50PSI and the module says ohh dear TPMS A is on the right rear which should be above 60PSI so now I will turn on the warning light.
If that is confusing I will try to explain it more thoroughly and less confusingly.
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Most newer Fords CAN be trained through the OBD II port. It activates the system itself and then clears the diagnostic codes. Ususally Fords only display actual pressure if a tire is low, otherwise the screen is either very hard to get to or not able to. I haven't been able to find the screen on every model, or really had the time to. Depends a lot on trim level I think. Clicking the key/ brake sequence is the easiest way though since it works for ALL Fords new and old... Also up to 2019 and some 2020 can even have the TPMS threshold updated via a good TPMS tool and the OBD II Port. It's very useful for guys who do not work their F250/350's or fighting a sensor that is reading an inaccurate/ lower pressure than it actually is. I use Autel TS 508's at work. Autel has or had a deal when you bought 12 or 24 sensors you got a free tool. I have a TS401 for my personal use. No OBD II connectivity or color screen but it can write Autel sensors and re set Fords so it's all I need
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I ordered a tool. We will see today if it works. Not having tpms doesn’t bother me it’s that dam light on cluster. I will let you know I’d did see some stuff on forscan for the tpms. We just got set up with forscan so I just been looking around.
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Most newer Fords CAN be trained through the OBD II port. It activates the system itself and then clears the diagnostic codes. Ususally Fords only display actual pressure if a tire is low, otherwise the screen is either very hard to get to or not able to. I haven't been able to find the screen on every model, or really had the time to. Depends a lot on trim level I think. Clicking the key/ brake sequence is the easiest way though since it works for ALL Fords new and old... Also up to 2019 and some 2020 can even have the TPMS threshold updated via a good TPMS tool and the OBD II Port. It's very useful for guys who do not work their F250/350's or fighting a sensor that is reading an inaccurate/ lower pressure than it actually is. I use Autel TS 508's at work. Autel has or had a deal when you bought 12 or 24 sensors you got a free tool. I have a TS401 for my personal use. No OBD II connectivity or color screen but it can write Autel sensors and re set Fords so it's all I need
Yes it depends on vehicle and trim level for if it shows individual tire pressures even when they are not low.
Autel is good, its what we use for the rare non fords we get for sales, I think the one we do have is the TS401, would you know how annoying it is to program new TPMS to a toyota using the TS401? I understand there is a ID number on each sensor you have to program to the vehicle manually unlike using the ford point and train tool. One of the many things I think Ford did a far better job of then Toyota.
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What is the procedure for retraining the TPMS via OBD2?
Yes it depends on vehicle and trim level for if it shows individual tire pressures even when they are not low.
Autel is good, its what we use for the rare non fords we get for sales, I think the one we do have is the TS401, would you know how annoying it is to program new TPMS to a toyota using the TS401? I understand there is a ID number on each sensor you have to program to the vehicle manually unlike using the ford point and train tool. One of the many things I think Ford did a far better job of then Toyota.
Yes it depends on vehicle and trim level for if it shows individual tire pressures even when they are not low.
Autel is good, its what we use for the rare non fords we get for sales, I think the one we do have is the TS401, would you know how annoying it is to program new TPMS to a toyota using the TS401? I understand there is a ID number on each sensor you have to program to the vehicle manually unlike using the ford point and train tool. One of the many things I think Ford did a far better job of then Toyota.
Sounds like you need a better tool. Manually entering a sensor ID is old school... Autel probably still has some deal going where if you buy 24 sensors you get the TS 508 for free. The Autel sensors covers 315/433 mhz and 99% of all models. A sensor is about $25 at cost but the machine itself retails for $599
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Ohh ok so your not using the Ford IDS software to train the sensors.
I havent tried training new Toyota sensors yet, so far Ive only determined that three are inop and the last ones battery is on the way out, that was a few months ago and Im just procrastinating at this point, my understanding about manually entering the sensor ID is what I have heard on toyota forum sites but not from the toyota workshop manual.
I appreciate the info about the deal but I only need four new sensors so it doesnt make sense to buy 24 sensors to get a free tool that I will almost never use.
Are the Autel sensors good? I was going to just buy the denso ones that toyota uses from the factory.
I havent tried training new Toyota sensors yet, so far Ive only determined that three are inop and the last ones battery is on the way out, that was a few months ago and Im just procrastinating at this point, my understanding about manually entering the sensor ID is what I have heard on toyota forum sites but not from the toyota workshop manual.
I appreciate the info about the deal but I only need four new sensors so it doesnt make sense to buy 24 sensors to get a free tool that I will almost never use.
Are the Autel sensors good? I was going to just buy the denso ones that toyota uses from the factory.
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Ohh ok so your not using the Ford IDS software to train the sensors.
I havent tried training new Toyota sensors yet, so far Ive only determined that three are inop and the last ones battery is on the way out, that was a few months ago and Im just procrastinating at this point, my understanding about manually entering the sensor ID is what I have heard on toyota forum sites but not from the toyota workshop manual.
I appreciate the info about the deal but I only need four new sensors so it doesnt make sense to buy 24 sensors to get a free tool that I will almost never use.
Are the Autel sensors good? I was going to just buy the denso ones that toyota uses from the factory.
I havent tried training new Toyota sensors yet, so far Ive only determined that three are inop and the last ones battery is on the way out, that was a few months ago and Im just procrastinating at this point, my understanding about manually entering the sensor ID is what I have heard on toyota forum sites but not from the toyota workshop manual.
I appreciate the info about the deal but I only need four new sensors so it doesnt make sense to buy 24 sensors to get a free tool that I will almost never use.
Are the Autel sensors good? I was going to just buy the denso ones that toyota uses from the factory.
If the Toyota sensors are OEM, you will find the device ID printed on the sensor itself. You can use your Autel TS401 to program an Autel MX Sensor with that sensor ID manually inputted. It's a pain but it does work.. The Autel sensors are great. I've programmed and installed hundreds of them
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The only reason I noticed it was because the last time I took it in, the LF tire had gotten a nail that needed to be pulled/patched. The tech that repaired the LF was different than the tech that did the rotate/balance on the other 3 tires. When he inflated that tire, he inflated it to 2 PSI lower than the other 3, and it still showed as LF when I left America's Tire. A couple miles later, that 2 PSI lower showed up in the LR tire. That's how I knew it had learned the new configuration.
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Ok I will go with the Autel sensors, who knows maybe Ill get around to it by the end of the year.
Just to clarify I can use the TS401 to program new Autel MX sensors to have the old sensors ID numbers.
@matt167 Thanks for all the info.
Just to clarify I can use the TS401 to program new Autel MX sensors to have the old sensors ID numbers.
@matt167 Thanks for all the info.
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