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Old May 26, 2020 | 09:16 PM
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Is it possible but I guess anything is possible my question is can I put a late 80’s to 90s 300 straight six in my truck that is fuel injected what motor mounts would I need are were they the same through the years and what are really the challenges of doing that swap and could I use the transmission and what transmission would be better automatic or manual thanks for the help as I’m clueless

my truck is a 66 f100 with a 4spd and a 352 that’s locked tight
 
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Old May 27, 2020 | 04:48 AM
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Would be a lot cheaper and easier to have a 352 or 390 rebuilt. You obviously have no clue as how to do this, so you will rely on whoever you find to do the work and make the recommendations. And that is a crap shoot.
 
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Old May 27, 2020 | 06:41 AM
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Would be a lot cheaper and easier to have a 352 or 390 rebuilt. You obviously have no clue as how to do this, so you will rely on whoever you find to do the work and make the recommendations. And that is a crap shoot.
IIRC, the OP is a relatively young man without much support from his family. But, I agree there are easier things to do. I'm not sure about everybody else's neck of the woods, but running FEs 352/360/390s bring $200-700 around here. That would be a cheap direct bolt in and surely the engine in the truck currently has parts that could be reused, if say the donor was a smog equipped latter engine. And you would have something that starts and runs and motivates you to keeps going, so what if it smokes and leaks oil, that's easier to fix down the road when time, money and experience come together.
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Old May 27, 2020 | 07:41 AM
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Branden,

I've only worked on a '94 and a '95 with the 300 I6. These are both fuel injected. It might be the fastest and be the easiest to understand what you'll need for the swap if you find a donor truck. You'll see what you need in terms of motor mounts, electrical (sensors, controllers, computer, etc.). You'll also be able to get some rough measurements for locating tranny mounts and whether or not you'll have to modify a driveshaft. You'll also need a Haynes manual or equivalent to walk you through things like setting the timing, trouble shooting, etc of the 300 I6 with fuel injection and perhaps a OBD scan tool if you go with a mid '90's donor truck. This will give you an idea of the project scope. I imagine it will take a while to complete. Guys have done more radical swaps. One guy on this site swapped in a Volkswagen diesel....cool as heck imho.


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Would be a lot cheaper and easier to have a 352 or 390 rebuilt. You obviously have no clue as how to do this, so you will rely on whoever you find to do the work and make the recommendations. And that is a crap shoot.
Did you get up on the wrong side of the bed? You basically said the OP doesn't know how to do something so just forget it."
 
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Old May 27, 2020 | 11:11 AM
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^^ good advice on trying to find a donor. You should get the majority of the parts you need, additionally you might have means of recovering some of your investment. Some of these trucks were equipped w/ the I6 but I don't know if they used the same mounts or not.
 
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Old May 27, 2020 | 11:39 AM
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Brandon: Swapping an engine to a later one, AND keeping the donor engine's EFI is not entry level stuff. It's great to have big plans, but it can also lead to another "unfinished project" for sale on craigslist. Taking an EFI 300 (4.9L) and converting it to carb'd can be done, the biggest PITA is (if they follow suit with the V8's) there is no boss to mount a mechanical fuel pump, so you have no choice but to run an electric pump. Staying with a factory carb'd 300 makes you life considerably simpler, and in case you weren't aware, the 300 uses the same trans bolt pattern as the 302/351, so any auto from a windsor will bolt right up. With manuals, you'll have to do your homework, as although the bell bolt pattern will be the same, I cannot tell you if the "depth" (measured from front to back) is consistent between the two engine series. Same goes for Flexplates/Flywheels, some research will be required....
I 'm sure as time goes by, and you gain experience, your capabilities will grow with that experience, but diving into the deep end can end badly, so do your homework BEFORE starting down a path, it will improve the odds of a successful outcome by leaps & bounds.

**and as far as engine perches for the various Ford engine families go, this is as good a resource as any I've seen....and it appears you're in luck, as the FE/I6 use the same perches

Comparison Photos of Engine Perches - FORDification.com


 
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Old May 27, 2020 | 06:05 PM
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Branden,

I've only worked on a '94 and a '95 with the 300 I6. These are both fuel injected. It might be the fastest and be the easiest to understand what you'll need for the swap if you find a donor truck. You'll see what you need in terms of motor mounts, electrical (sensors, controllers, computer, etc.). You'll also be able to get some rough measurements for locating tranny mounts and whether or not you'll have to modify a driveshaft. You'll also need a Haynes manual or equivalent to walk you through things like setting the timing, trouble shooting, etc of the 300 I6 with fuel injection and perhaps a OBD scan tool if you go with a mid '90's donor truck. This will give you an idea of the project scope. I imagine it will take a while to complete. Guys have done more radical swaps. One guy on this site swapped in a Volkswagen diesel....cool as heck imho.




Did you get up on the wrong side of the bed? You basically said the OP doesn't know how to do something so just forget it."
No, actually the OP said he had no clue, I"m just trying to point out that if you have no idea what you are doing with an alteration you will be at the mercy of whoever you find to do the job. Over the years I have rescued a few people that got taken over the coals trying to get a car built and spend many thousands of dollars for no reason because they didn't have a clue what needed to be done.

This can be a fun inexpensive hobby or it can be an expensive life lesson. I just try and point out that simple is usually cheaper.

If he wants to play with a fuel injected pickup, he should buy an '85ish and learn from that. It'll be a lot cheaper than converting the '66. Like I said before it's got an FE in it, the easiest fix is another FE, either used or a reman.

And I always thought my attitude was enlightening.

 
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Old May 27, 2020 | 06:10 PM
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No, actually the OP said he had no clue, I"m just trying to point out that if you have no idea what you are doing with an alteration you will be at the mercy of whoever you find to do the job. Over the years I have rescued a few people that got taken over the coals trying to get a car built and spend many thousands of dollars for no reason because they didn't have a clue what needed to be done.

This can be a fun inexpensive hobby or it can be an expensive life lesson. I just try and point out that simple is usually cheaper.

If he wants to play with a fuel injected pickup, he should buy an '85ish and learn from that. It'll be a lot cheaper than converting the '66. Like I said before it's got an FE in it, the easiest fix is another FE, either used or a reman.

And I always thought my attitude was enlightening.
thank god I found a running 352 and I already have a 1990 Ford F-150 with a 5spd and a 4.9 so I’m already learning
 
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Old May 28, 2020 | 06:47 AM
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Good gravy, Branden. I was feeling kinda bad for you over EricJ's flippant response but then find out you have a 5sp/4.9 that you can just run outside and inspect. The 300 I6 spanned from carburetor to port injection...so pick your level of sophistication.

I'm now with EricJ and maybe you should just leave it be. In fact, I'm wondering what you mean by "locked tight". Few years back someone told me his 34 ton excavator engine was seized and he needed a new engine. So he let it sit in a field for over 2 years. All it needed was a starter relay.
 
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Old May 28, 2020 | 07:23 AM
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Good gravy, Branden. I was feeling kinda bad for you over EricJ's flippant response but then find out you have a 5sp/4.9 that you can just run outside and inspect. The 300 I6 spanned from carburetor to port injection...so pick your level of sophistication.

I'm now with EricJ and maybe you should just leave it be. In fact, I'm wondering what you mean by "locked tight". Few years back someone told me his 34 ton excavator engine was seized and he needed a new engine. So he let it sit in a field for over 2
years. All it needed was a starter relay.
the rocker shafts were completely coated in rust so I dumped marvel down the cylinders let it sit for a week I put a breaker bar on the crank and broke the crank bolt off
 
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Old May 28, 2020 | 02:44 PM
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I have a 78 carbureted 300 with a 95 model ZF 5 speed in my 65. Parts are cheap and it is very easy to work on. When I ripped it down over the winter I found that it had already had the machine work done previously and it just needed all the gaskets replaced. I refreshed it for right at $300. Sucky gas mileage though.
 
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