The Noob? Well, he's in for a new kind of experience.

 

Oh yes now I remember seeing his turbo purchase in Sous’s thread. Whoa! Not sure what it is but it looks like a monster! Actually I googled it after seeing. He’s willing to tackle a bigger job than me. lol. Anxious to see how it works. He may have to get creative on the Y.

 

Why did I hear that in Schwarzeneggar's voice? "Dat's naht a toomah, dat's Da Nooob!"

 

Just in case anyone was wondering (I always did) about the clearance between the air filter and hood using my tilted install method, I had the borescope out the other day and snapped some photos with the hood closed. It’s pretty difficult to get a good shot but this is the best one. What I see is plenty of room above the filter even in the tightest spot.

This method allows for lots of room under the filter which should be getting fresh air from the snorkel. It also pulls the filter away from the fender and should reduce introduction of water from the hood/fender gap. It locks the filter in place and positions the intake hose high to clear the inter cooler tube and such.

This of course is just my opinion but explains why I prefer this method instead of the laying it flat and having the filter all the way to the edge of the fender.

 

Small update about this install.

I had considered trying the AIS since the Eswift intake setup allows stock positioning of the CCV tube. It was just a curiosity of how it would flow combined with the SXE. Can you imagine how quiet these 2 would be if paired together? Not that it’s loud now, but just would really step it up (or down) a notch.

Typically I don’t bother with the filter minder when installing the 6637. For this T4 install the AIS was removed and the old previously used 6637 was put back on. The filter minder was added to the end of the filter yesterday for testing purposes before putting in the newly received blue riffraff filter.

The AIS with the modified stock turbo would pull the filter minder (original version) about halfway pretty easily it seemed. The used 6637 with SXE did not show any noticeable movement of the minder. Today’s test was with a few spirited bursts in 80hp daily and then 140hp extreme. It made at least 35psi of boost during the test.

Unless the SXE is making a huge difference in this equation, it is easy to see the 6637 flows drastically better. At this point I don’t think an AIS test is really necessary. Any thoughts before I write it off?
EDIT: I did end up running an AIS test with a vacuum gauge. Here's the link if you are interested. AIS Testing with the SXE

Here’s a photo of the minder after today’s test.

 

So, let me see if I am following correctly...

- You bought the T4/SXE combo and installed an older/previously used 6637 white filter.
- You had not previously tested the flow of the used 6637 with a filter minder.
- Before installing the new 6637 Donaldson blue filter from Riffraff, you decided to test the used 6637 with a filter minder.
- Prior to the T4/SXE install you observed the MST pulling the filter minder to 50% flow restriction.
- The used 6637 did not trigger any movement of the filter minder.
- You have decided that the 6637 flows more air than the AIS, which I believe has been proven before on the FTE.
- You are attempting to decide if the AIS is worth running with the T4/SXE and filter minder.

So, by you saying "Unless the SXE is making a huge difference in this equation", I think you have your answer. There is a huge difference in how the SXE handles and pushes air. Although, I suspect that the AIS would not provide enough air flow for the T4/SXE, but I could be wrong. I had the AIS with the MST and saw similar readings on my filter minder that you saw. That is why I went with a Donaldson blue 6637 from Riffraff. I wanted to be sure that the T4/SXE had as much air as it needed.

To answer your question about writing the AIS off, I would answer your question with a question. Why not try it?

What do you have to loose other than time?

If the AIS does not flow as much air that is required by the T4/SXE which does handle air differently than the MST, then get with @KubotaOrange76 and see about a swap. I believe he is still looking for an AIS...

If the AIS does flow enough air, wait to make a decision after you have some towing of your car trailer on the system. At that point, figure out if the noise reduction level is worth the extra time and/or cash involved with running one filter or the other.

That would be my advice going forward.

All that said, I am 100% happy with my T4/SXE being fed by a Donaldson blue 6637 with a pre-filter cover. I have thousands of miles on the filter and it looks brand new still. I did have to rotate the cover a bit because a mouse decided to take a small piece for their nest. In my opinion, I don't think there will be much of a noise reduction from the turbo, but I don't know that for sure. I say this because the turbo is already pretty quiet even running the 6637 filter. Worlds quieter than my MST ever was, even running the AIS with the MST.

The way the T4/SXE handles air compared to the MST is different and don't let yourself tell you it is not. For example... Take a deep and fast breath through a drinking straw... That is how the MST and AIS handle air. Take a deep and slow breath through a straw... That is how the T4/SXE and 6637 handle air. I have proven this time and time again in my words, videos and pictures in my T4/SXE thread. Many others have done the same in their threads or in my thread. Just because they are both turbos does not mean they are identical and handle air identically.

Does that make sense?

Let us know what path you take regarding the intake. I will say this... If you try the T4/SXE with the AIS, there are several people here interested in what you see and find out.

 

i still looking to swap for ais

in for good read

 

I haven’t forgotten about you but am not ready to let it leave the farm just yet. My co-worker is also still interested but you’re on my list of contacts when the time comes too.

@Sous what a detailed response!
You pretty much nailed it in the “get this straight” section.
I guess my main question was if anyone was interested in knowing the results of a potential A to B comparison test. The answer appears to be yes so I will perform this check before installing the new RiffRaff filter. I was curious, but not quite enough to perform only for myself. And like I mentioned and you answered, I didn’t know if it was even worth trying after seeing the extreme difference of no movement at all with the SXE-6637 combo.
Thanks for the response. It may not be quickly but I’ll get back to you guys on this.

 

Thanks for the write up and thanks for the information on how to make the stock CCV setup work....

 

Glad to help.

Thank Mr @ESwift for the CCV setup. He showed up at just the perfect time during my install to share his method. All I did was take photos during my CCV mod to show how to copy his method. I would highly recommend this setup as it puts all “normal” intakes back on the table with the T4 and allows for easy install of the these intakes without further modification.

 

Good to know. Thx....

 

I do like how my intake turned out. It goes in or comes out as one piece or I can remove and install just the filter. Although I do like the Eswift method better and would have gone that route.

The CCV was easy enough for me. I went to NAPA and told the guy I needed a 90 degree bend like the CCV hose and same diameter, but longer on both sides. He came back to the front with a Honda or Toyota hose that had four 90 degree bends in it. I cut one out and it fits great.

I like my intake, but would have preferred to keep the OEM CCV ring.

 

I have not reconnected my CCV yet as it’s still vented to atmosphere for the time being. So I have a cap on the tube for now.
One of the main reasons for my delay is I plan to install a catch can. I have the part already but the current setup is working so this keeps getting bumped down on my to-do list.

You bring up a good point about the rubber hose though. This would make that a simple stock install as well with no need for a parts run.

The main reason I like it is because now all the other filter systems will work easily. I have the 6637 on it right now. But have been trialing the AIS. And could go to S&B or AFE anytime I want with no fabrication work.

The CSD intake pushed the 6637 all the way to the fender and was a tight fit. It worked fine but wasn’t the way I like to position the filter. So the eswift setup allowed me to run the 6637 exactly like I have in the past.

 

Updated the pdf at the beginning of the thread to version 1.1 based on some feedback from member's installation process and my own recent 363 swap. The original posts about the installation process have also been updated to reflect these changes.

The original version had 60 views when removed it to upload the new version. I was happy to see it may be helping some folks.

 

Do you want me to type up a Turbonator version?