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Old Mar 29, 2020 | 08:39 PM
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Rebuilt 302 won't start

I just finished rebuilding the 302 in my 1990 f150 and I used a cam from a mustang so to fix the firing order problems I rewired the injectors. Things went perfectly and it fired right up on the first try so we were going over it checking everything and I could hear a little vacuum leak so we started and stopped it 3-4 times while changing things but then it randomly stopped working. it was running and I sprayed a some starting fluid around the throttle body to check for a vacuum leak and it stalled the motor and now it won't start at all. It has fuel, compression and spark but all it does it crank. Turning the distributor doesn't change anything and I messed with timing for a while with no change. Any idea of what the problem could be?
 
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Old Mar 29, 2020 | 10:26 PM
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Not positive, but I think you are supposed to leave the injectors wired the way they were because the computer doesnt know that they are switched and richens and leans the wrong ones.
 
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Old Mar 30, 2020 | 03:10 AM
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how would the computer know what the new firing order is? i havent tuned it or anything. I don't know how any of this works
 
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Old Mar 30, 2020 | 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by twiebe1776
how would the computer know what the new firing order is?
The simple answer is that the computer doesn’t care. It fires one set of four injectors and then the other four. It was posted here recently which set of four but I cannot find the thread right now. The only thing you needed to do was change the firing order on the distributor to the 302HO/ 351W firing order. Another couple of possible issues: What distributor gear are you using? The ‘90 truck cam was a flat tappet cam and I’m assuming the Mustang cam is a roller? If you reused the truck distributor gear it won’t live for long. Also what Mustang cam? The SD system might not be happy if you chose the wrong camshaft.

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...to-302-ho.html
 
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Old Mar 30, 2020 | 09:09 AM
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You were spraying the throttle body when it died? Try unplugging the TPS and doing a sweep with a multimeter.
 
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Old Mar 30, 2020 | 12:48 PM
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its a stage 2 tfs cam which I already know needs mass air and im planning on doing the swap but my friend and I just wanted to start it with speed density to see if it would work and it did, I'm just confused why it randomly stopped working. I also swapped the gear from a sn95 distributor onto the truck one.
 
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Old Mar 30, 2020 | 04:47 PM
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Since it needs a MAF conversion, and this is known, maybe once the o2 sensors warmed up enough to put it into closed loop, the computer tried pulling (or adding way too much) fuel and set that as the baseline, and now you have a no start. Just a theory. I remember some Honda models not starting because of a bad coolant temp sensor throwing an irrational value into a speed density algorithm. Similar to your condition.
 
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Old Mar 30, 2020 | 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by My4Fordtrucks
The simple answer is that the computer doesn’t care. It fires one set of four injectors and then the other four. The ‘90 truck cam was a flat tappet cam and I’m assuming the Mustang cam is a roller? If you reused the truck distributor gear it won’t live for long. Also what Mustang cam? The SD system might not be happy if you chose the wrong camshaft.
The injectors are multipoint batch fire - batch 1: 1-4-5-8; batch 2: 2-3-6-7
just to add/ask to cam install, what lifters did you use? What heads with that cam(0.565 lift) PTV clearance issues checked?

 
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Originally Posted by torq'ta 5 8
The injectors are multipoint batch fire - batch 1: 1-4-5-8; batch 2: 2-3-6-7
just to add/ask to cam install, what lifters did you use? What heads with that cam(0.565 lift) PTV clearance issues checked?
it's the stock e7 heads which I know aren't really the best choice but this rebuild was as cheap as possible mostly with parts I already had in the garage and I had the cam laying around plus a set of stock mustang listers from a 95, I measured ptv with clay and a dial indicator and had about 0.080 exhaust and 0.110 intake. I was a little worried about it but I revved it while it was running and didn't seem to have any problems with clearance.

Also I left the battery off overnight and when I tried things this morning it fired right up so my guess is that the computer reset itself and worked again so tomorrow I'll switch the injectors back and see if that fixes it. Today was spent fixing a blown trans line and a few other small things.
 
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I put a 1990 302 in my son's 1995 F150 and changed the firing order back to the old one, did not change the injector wiring at all. It's been running fine for several years now. I used the original 1995 ECU.
 
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