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Old Feb 11, 2020 | 05:13 PM
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I’m looking to purchase an Iconic 2114SFGLE 21’ Toy Hauler.

Specs say the GVWR is 9900, Dry weight is 5926, and Hitch Weight 660 and axle weight is 5266.

I have a 2014 Extended E-250 4.6L V8 and specs say Max Towing Capacity is 5,900.

With the Info here, would it be safe to pull the Trailer with My Van?

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I have added up all the weight of what we are going to haul inside and will run that buy you guys after we get through this round of questions.
 
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Old Feb 11, 2020 | 05:46 PM
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Nope, that 4.6 is a good motor, but only within its ratings. There is nothing left to go over that amount.
 
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Old Feb 12, 2020 | 01:09 AM
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I agree with senix ^^^^^^^

According to Iconic, you are . . .

5,926 - 5,900 = 26

. . . 26 pounds overweight before you put anything in the trailer. There are three things to know about this:

1. You are starting out overweight. You can't add a feather to the trailer without making the problem worse.
2. Less weight in the garage means more tongue weight. More tongue weight means more rear squat . . . and more importantly means more unloading the front tires.
3. I've almost never seen manufacturer weights at or below reality. I wouldn't be surprised at all if you take it to a scale and find it is 6,200 pounds empty and 900 pounds tongue weight. Or more.

Also, extended-tail Econolines get pushed around by trailers more than short-tail Econolines. Loading the trailer properly and using a weight distributing hitch are both going to be very important when you downsize the trailer or upsize the tow vehicle and start towing.

Questions:

Is the 660 tongue weight supposed to be when empty or loaded?

You are planning on using a weight-distributing hitch, right?
 
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Old Feb 12, 2020 | 08:35 AM
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It'd probably be safe, mostly because with a trailer that size and a 4.6 you'd be hard pressed to get up to 60.
 
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Old Feb 12, 2020 | 09:00 AM
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Hook up to that trailer and see how much it squats your van. I think you'll be surprised at how bad it is. A quality WDH that is properly configured will help with that some.

For comparison, here is my 22' toy hauler hooked up to my Titan that has a 9200 lb towing rating. Yes, the trailer is way, way too much trailer for the truck, but the way it sits in the picture the trailer's weight was within the trucks towing capacity but way over the rated tongue capacity This was before I setup the WDH, so all the tongue weight was on the rear axle. I'm going to say it caused the truck to squat 4". Even with the WDH setup, it was not a pleasant drive.

I recommend that you find a lighter trailer or a stronger tow vehicle.


 
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Old Feb 12, 2020 | 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by BrakeCheck
...I have a 2014 Extended E-250 4.6L V8 and specs say Max Towing Capacity is 5,900...
The 5,900 lbs. spec is not absolute. Instead, it’s based on a very narrow set of atypical operating conditions:

Base trim model (higher trim levels add weight to van which reduces tow rating)
No unnecessary options (options add weight...)
Includes allowance for a 150 lbs. driver (hmmm...)
No other passengers or luggage or cargo or tools or coolers (add weight...)
Assumes operation at sea level (engine develops less power as elevation increases)

Once you make an allowance for your vehicle configuration and realistic operating conditions, then you’ll have a better idea of your van’s capabilities.

What type and size tires are on your van?

HTH,
Jim / crewzer

Link to 2014 RV and Towing Guide: https://www.fleet.ford.com/resources...TTgde_Sep9.pdf






 
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Old Feb 13, 2020 | 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by HRTKD
Hook up to that trailer and see how much it squats your van. I think you'll be surprised at how bad it is. A quality WDH that is properly configured will help with that some.

For comparison, here is my 22' toy hauler hooked up to my Titan that has a 9200 lb towing rating. Yes, the trailer is way, way too much trailer for the truck, but the way it sits in the picture the trailer's weight was within the trucks towing capacity but way over the rated tongue capacity This was before I setup the WDH, so all the tongue weight was on the rear axle. I'm going to say it caused the truck to squat 4". Even with the WDH setup, it was not a pleasant drive.

I recommend that you find a lighter trailer or a stronger tow vehicle.

I bet it lifts the front end up a little too.
 
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Old Feb 19, 2020 | 04:46 PM
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Another vote for “no go”. I would use it to move very short distances, if necessary, but you’re not going to be safe or having very much fun, with that setup.
 
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