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Old Jan 6, 2020 | 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by tjc transport
my 14 actually gets better mileage at 75 than it does at 55.
Wow that's amazing!!!
https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/...nomy/index.htm

Aerodynamic drag increases 86% when driving 75 vs 55. https://www.grc.nasa.gov/www/k-12/airplane/drageq.html
 
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Old Jan 7, 2020 | 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by tjc transport
my 14 actually gets better mileage at 75 than it does at 55.
I can only presume you're claim is that you're applying all other things being a constant (the same)?

I find that mpg claim hard to believe, given that both the rpm would be higher and the drag (as mentioned above) significantly more. Drag essentially is squared by doubling the speed; it would take 4x more effort to overcome drag at 40mph than 20mph, as an example.
 
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Old Jan 7, 2020 | 10:58 AM
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well, fill up and get on the freeway 1/4 mile away, set cruise at 55 and do a 50 mile run. truck will get 14.7 - 14.9 mpg.
turn around fill up and get back on set cruise at 75 and truck will get 15.2 - 15.4 mpg.
this was done three times when i was trying to set readiness for emissions inspection.
conditions were the same each time. sunny, around 55 degrees, and no wind.

truck has stock Michelin tires on 18 inch rims and 3.73 gears.
 
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Old Jan 8, 2020 | 06:26 AM
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Elevation change? Uphill one way, downhill on the way back?
Fuel brand differences between the stations?
 
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Old Jan 8, 2020 | 10:05 AM
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I picked up a 2019 CC SB 6.2 4x4 the other day. So far the indicated mileage is around 15mpg but I haven't hand calculated it. Most of my driving is at 65-70 mph on rural roads.

 
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Old Jan 8, 2020 | 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by dnewton3
Drag essentially is squared by doubling the speed; it would take 4x more effort to overcome drag at 40mph than 20mph, as an example.
Yes, square the two different speeds and then do the ratio. 20 squared is 400. 40 squared is 1600. 1600/400 = 4 times the effort. I find this method useful when comparing less obvious situations like going from 60 mph to 70 mph. 4900/3600 = 1.36. 36% more effort for a 17% increase in speed. This calculation makes it obvious why a 5 mph reduction in towing speed can make a huge difference in fuel mileage. Play with the numbers some time. It's revealing.

Other factors can come into play however. My gasser holds 6th gear better at 70 mph than 60 mph (towing a fifth wheel) because of the torque curve on my 6.2. But, this is at the cost of fuel mileage for sure.
 
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Old Jan 8, 2020 | 10:53 AM
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My gasser holds 6th gear better at 70 mph than 60 mph (towing a fifth wheel) because of the torque curve on my 6.2. But, this is at the cost of fuel mileage for sure.
Have you ever tried locking out 6th at 60mph and seeing what that does? I haven't towed my travel trailer yet but I will probably try that when I do.
 
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Old Jan 8, 2020 | 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by ATC Crazy
Elevation change? Uphill one way, downhill on the way back?
Fuel brand differences between the stations?
basically flat ground, fill up at wawa both sides.
 
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Old Jan 13, 2020 | 08:00 AM
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At 50 mph the engine may be lugging so low as it's not in an efficient part of the combustion process. And so you may actually get better mpg at 70 mph than 50 mph, even if the engine is holding the same tranny gear.

Some would ask why this is so, and it's a simple answer ... emissions. Ford wants the engine to run as low as possible in rpms, because engine emissions and engine rpm efficiency do not always go hand-in-hand; there's not always a direct linear relationship. Whereas our heavy trucks do not have to make a specific mpg for CAFE, they DO have to meet emissions standards. When the rpms are really low (say running 50mph in 6th gear), the output of emissions is lower than at 70mph in that same gear. I don't know at what vehicle speed they are required to test at (probably a few different speeds), but the lower the rpm can be held under light load, the less emissions are pushed out the tailpipe. So it behooves Ford to program the vehicle computers to manage the rpm as low as possible under light loads. Many of us have noticed the 6.2L (generally a rev-happy engine) seems to lug way more than desired in most any light-load condition and it won't downshift until you nudge the pedal firmly; at times my 6.2L will lug in the higher gears all the way down to 1300 rpm before downshifting). That's not an accident; it was done on purpose to meet emissions criteria.

However, the engine may be more efficient (defined as fuel consumed for each mile traveled) at a slightly higher rpm (say around 2000 rpm). So it's very possible that the engine is more efficient running 70 mph in 6th than 55 mph in 6th. There are times when it might be advantageous to actually lock out 6th gear (under very light loads) and you might eek out a fractionally higher mpg experience running in 5th rather than 6th, but this is only true at lower road speeds of course. If you were running 50 mph down a long US route and it's flat enough to carry 6th gear, try tapping down a gear with the CC locked on 50 mph; you might actually see the mpg raise a bit.

Boils down to this; very low rpms makes for the lowest emissions output even if it's not the most desirable in terms of fuel efficiency. As long as the truck can maintain the desired speed, under light loads it's going to up-shift as much as it can to reduce CO and other GHG output.
 
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Old Jan 17, 2020 | 02:06 PM
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My fuel mileage is better at 65 than 55, but above 65 it gradually starts to decrease. I guess that it has something to do with the engine's torque curve.
 
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Old Jan 17, 2020 | 05:32 PM
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I encourage y'all, if you are interested, to learn about BSFC curves (brake specific fuel consumption), BMEP, and also throttling losses in otto (spark ignition) engines. Typically being in the tallest gear you can be in, with really deep throttle settings to maintain the speed desired, generates the best fuel economy in gas engines. Particularly if the engine is in the 1700 to 2200 RPM range for our truck type engines. I'm headed out on vacation but I'll check in next week
 
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Old Jan 19, 2020 | 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by DADDYFIGJAM
Some great points in this thread. The things I've found that yield the very best mpg's are,
1- accelerate softly from stop to stop.
I will disagree with this point. I used to believe this, but watching the instantaneous mpg on various vehicles, even accelerating easy, its poor. Then when you get up to speed and begin cruising it gets better. So what is better, poor mpg accelerating easy for XX seconds to get up to speed then get good mpg, or get really poor mpg accelerating harder for X seconds then get good mileage? Someone with more time and curiosity on this topic than I have can get more data and let us all know. .
 
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Old Jan 19, 2020 | 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Bugzilla46310
I will disagree with this point. I used to believe this, but watching the instantaneous mpg on various vehicles, even accelerating easy, its poor. Then when you get up to speed and begin cruising it gets better. So what is better, poor mpg accelerating easy for XX seconds to get up to speed then get good mpg, or get really poor mpg accelerating harder for X seconds then get good mileage? Someone with more time and curiosity on this topic than I have can get more data and let us all know. .
great post, and something I have pondered as well. Do you casually ease up to cruising speed, or bolt up to cruising speed, then coast so to speak. Actually, idk. My experience comes from my cummins, were the very best mpg's came from keeping boost under 8 psi while accelerating from a stop.
 
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Old Jan 20, 2020 | 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Bugzilla46310
I will disagree with this point. I used to believe this, but watching the instantaneous mpg on various vehicles, even accelerating easy, its poor. Then when you get up to speed and begin cruising it gets better. So what is better, poor mpg accelerating easy for XX seconds to get up to speed then get good mpg, or get really poor mpg accelerating harder for X seconds then get good mileage? Someone with more time and curiosity on this topic than I have can get more data and let us all know. .
I will have to agree with you, I feel I get a little better mileage by being a little more aggressive on acceleration both empty and when pulling our trailer. I'm not talking about WOT but a little heavey footed to get up to speed and higher gears and then if you are coming up to traffic or lights let it coast and in a lot of cases you won't have to even come to a stop because a light has changed or trafic has cleared. But I don't have any data to confirm it.

Denny
 
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Old Jan 20, 2020 | 08:23 PM
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I find that I get my best mpg at 70 mph. I always accelerate to highway speed as quick as I can. Mpg varies from 13.5 to 16. I get my best on level highways. In the hills I get 13.5. Love the truck. I didn't buy it for the mpg. It's a farm truck.
 
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