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Old Dec 25, 2019 | 07:57 PM
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Thinking about a 5.0

I've been around awhile but out of the gasser loop with a Ford, I've always lived in the diesel world.... Like the title says. I've been doing some research the past few days on the 2018/19 5.0. From the get go they seem like a pretty good engine. I plan to buy another small truck this coming year so I don't always have to get out my C60 when I need a truck. This most likley would be one of the last "newer" trucks i will ever buy.

My main goal for this potential 5.0 is to make it a fun daily driver that I can haul small things. The first thing I would plan to do is put a set of long tubes with a full exhaust then slap a supercharger on it. It's usually only me and maybe one other person in my vehicles so I'm leaning toward a standard cab 4x4.

I still have some research to do and reviews to look up but I figure I may as well start a thread and ask opinions and see if anyone else has gone a similar route. How's the reliability? I'm not seeing really anything else that needs to be done to the truck for supporting mods. The other option I was leaving toward was a standard cab Cummins with compounds. A 5.0 would be cheaper to build if my research is correct about the supporting mods. The Cummins I would limit to only 700 hp. At that a 5.0 would be much cheaper for a similar hp plus being a much lighter weight... and I wouldn't have to fight with transmissions. Anyone have opinions with semi high hp dd 5.0s?
 
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Old Dec 26, 2019 | 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by JOHN2001
I've been around awhile but out of the gasser loop with a Ford, I've always lived in the diesel world.... Like the title says. I've been doing some research the past few days on the 2018/19 5.0. From the get go they seem like a pretty good engine. I plan to buy another small truck this coming year so I don't always have to get out my C60 when I need a truck. This most likley would be one of the last "newer" trucks i will ever buy.

My main goal for this potential 5.0 is to make it a fun daily driver that I can haul small things. The first thing I would plan to do is put a set of long tubes with a full exhaust then slap a supercharger on it. It's usually only me and maybe one other person in my vehicles so I'm leaning toward a standard cab 4x4.

I still have some research to do and reviews to look up but I figure I may as well start a thread and ask opinions and see if anyone else has gone a similar route. How's the reliability? I'm not seeing really anything else that needs to be done to the truck for supporting mods. The other option I was leaving toward was a standard cab Cummins with compounds. A 5.0 would be cheaper to build if my research is correct about the supporting mods. The Cummins I would limit to only 700 hp. At that a 5.0 would be much cheaper for a similar hp plus being a much lighter weight... and I wouldn't have to fight with transmissions. Anyone have opinions with semi high hp dd 5.0s?
If you’re really determined to get that much horsepower out of the Coyote and to have it perform ”reliably”, you really should have the bottom end rebuilt first. Also, the only way that you’re going to get that much power out of the Coyote is by going to a Whipple type blower and such an installation will fall between $7&$10K plus another $1.5-$2K for the exhaust you mentioned.

In the long run, it’s not going to be cheaper to build.

With that being said, I’m sure you know that your factory warranty will be voided if you purchase a 2018-2019 F150 that’s still under warranty.

In my opinion, if you want such a truck, you should take a look at one of the Roush F150’s.

You can get one with said supercharger and still keep the Factory warranty.

I hope this info helps you out.
 
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Old Dec 26, 2019 | 07:11 AM
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Sounds like a fun build, look forward to watching if you choose to document here. As far as the 18/19 5.0 goes, reliability will be difficult to discuss as it is a new engine for the '18 model year, different from previous gen coyote's.

There are some folks (myself included) that are experiencing higher than expected oil consumption. Ford acknowledges the problem, and has issued several TSB's on the problem. Originally, they were replacing engine blocks. They have sense stated after investigation that a PCM software fix to minimize the amount of vacuum during deceleration fuel shutoff events will remediate. I haven't had a change yet to have this PCM update completed, so can't speak to it being a fix.

Additional info here: https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...e-related.html

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The first thing I would plan to do is put a set of long tubes with a full exhaust then slap a supercharger on it...... Anyone have opinions with semi high hp dd 5.0s?
Though I don't have any experience personally with this - I do follow quite a few of the Coyote 5.0 builds on youtube. One of the more common failure points on supercharged coyotes seems to be factory oil pump gears. If I were looking to build reliable supercharged power - the first thing I would do is get a set of billet oil pump gears and eliminate this potential failure point. Some also say they are NOT needed, blaming harmonics and laying on a 2-step/rev limiter - however if I were building power reliable, a small price to pay for the insurance.
 
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Old Dec 26, 2019 | 10:56 AM
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I'm not worried about the factory warranty. This would be a truck I could daily drive with a fun factor. I priced out a whipple and for the return I'm perfectly fine with spending that much. I have looked at the Roush and it's a nice truck but a bit too pretty for me. If I can stay out of the bottom end of the 5.0 then it would be a lot cheaper than building the alternative. What I have been gathering (uncertain how true it is) is that the newest gen coyote is pretty bullet proof with a whipple strapped to the top. Since its in a truck the tuning is much more conservative than in a mustang.

Thanks for the link. I actually read through it the other night while I was looking around.

The more I research the 18/19 coyote the more I think it's a pretty good idea. Time will tell. I'll give it a little bit and see what other people find about throwing a blower on them.

If anyone reading has anymore knowledge I'd like to hear it. Thanks
 
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Old Dec 26, 2019 | 08:48 PM
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I’m not sure where you’re finding the 2018+ Coyote is “reliable”. I think there is enough negativity out there on the all new 5.0L that the term “reliable” can be questioned. I had a 2018 5.0L that almost had its third mill installed due to oil consumption. After Ford waffling from several causes: first PCV issues, second engine issues, third PCM programming issues, and finally the moving of the goal line on the dipstick from one quart to two quarts is “time to add oil”, just proves they have no idea what’s going on.
While I DO like the 5.0L, I would stay away from the 2018+, grab the LAST generation, or go for a new Roush, Saleen, Shelby, etc. build that the warranty is owned by the builder... or at least some.
It sounds like cash isn’t an issue for you OP (only thinking based upon your warranty comment) so maybe you like living on the edge. Aluminum plasma-coated cylinders just don’t give me warm fuzzies anymore.
 
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Old Dec 26, 2019 | 09:39 PM
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I've been specifically looking at 5.0s that have whipples installed on them. This thread is part of me digging into the 5.0 knowledge that I am currently lacking so to speak.

I would never say money isn't a concern. If the possibility of a failure is high due to myself, I'll live with the consequences of my own actions. If the possibility of a failure due to "someone/something else" is too high then obviously that's not a gamble that's worth pursuing.
 
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Old Dec 28, 2019 | 07:31 AM
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I think I would start with a 17. The 10 speed is having too many issues to trust behind any kind of torque increase. The six speed seems to be a little more reliable and so far the trans in my 17, @35,000, has bee flawless.
 
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Old Dec 31, 2019 | 06:24 PM
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My 2018 has a stock un-modified 5.0 engine. I really like the 5.0 with the ten speed auto and 3:73 gears.

I was was in a rental 2019 F150 with the 3.5 for a week. The stock 3.5 feels stronger up to about 35-40mph based on my uncalibrated butt dyno. All things considered I prefer the 5.0.

Truthfully i I wish I has the money to supercharge mine. If you supercharge one you should seriously consider modifying the exhaust.

you can find plenty of videos on supercharged f150s on YouTube.

 
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Personally I've had a 03 lightning and my 18 5.0 runs just as good and I'm loving the 10 speed power on demand at 80 mph tap the gas and pass that sucker
 
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I think I would start with a 17. The 10 speed is having too many issues to trust behind any kind of torque increase. The six speed seems to be a little more reliable and so far the trans in my 17, @35,000, has bee flawless.
I couldn't agree with that because of my own experience. My 10 speed has been flawless for 3 years and 42K miles so far and the 6 speed in my 2014 had issues at 28K miles.
 
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