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Old Jan 8, 2020 | 05:38 PM
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I'm just not wanting to have to put $$ into a rear that per the seller is supposed to fit the Ex.
You can fight the seller and the shipping company over the yoke issue and the bent backing plates or you can fix it and put it in. My wager is that you will be happier and have less invested if you just fix it yourself and put it in.

I would get an inch/lb beam type torque wrench and measure the turning torque on the pinion before pulling e existing yoke. Yank both yokes and gently snug down your "old" yoke on the "new" diff. Now you can measure the turning torque and sneak up on the same value you had before. If you over crush the "crush sleeve" you will have a very short lived axle.

You may want to change the pinion seal while you're there, but I hate doing that without doing the pinion bearings, it's the kind of project that can snowball into a rebuild. Maybe get a crush sleeve eliminator shim set, I hate crush sleeves...

As recommended above, the backing plates and axle seals are pretty cheap from Rock Auto.

Good luck, especially if you try to fight the seller and shipper!!!
 
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Old Jan 9, 2020 | 12:48 PM
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Picked up my 4.30 drive shaft today. Its a large diameter aluminum shaft with the plate type yolk on the rear, opposed to the steel shaft that I currently have. Both are just a tad over 66" in length. So it does look like they should be interchangeable.
 
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Old Jan 9, 2020 | 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ShelbyHauler
Picked up my 4.30 drive shaft today. Its a large diameter aluminum shaft with the plate type yolk on the rear, opposed to the steel shaft that I currently have. Both are just a tad over 66" in length. So it does look like they should be interchangeable.
Probably a shaft with a higher terminal velocity. The 4.30 shaft makes more RPMs for a given road speed. Interesting things happen to an over-sped driveshaft!
 
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Old Jan 9, 2020 | 03:08 PM
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Aluminum driveshaft for the 4.30 gear

Aluminum driveshaft for the 4.30 gear

Flange vs strap

Backing Plate

Backing Plate

Pinion leak

Pallet it was shipped on from Ca to Fl
 
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Old Jan 9, 2020 | 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by nitro_rat
You can fight the seller and the shipping company over the yoke issue and the bent backing plates or you can fix it and put it in. My wager is that you will be happier and have less invested if you just fix it yourself and put it in.

I would get an inch/lb beam type torque wrench and measure the turning torque on the pinion before pulling e existing yoke. Yank both yokes and gently snug down your "old" yoke on the "new" diff. Now you can measure the turning torque and sneak up on the same value you had before. If you over crush the "crush sleeve" you will have a very short lived axle.

You may want to change the pinion seal while you're there, but I hate doing that without doing the pinion bearings, it's the kind of project that can snowball into a rebuild. Maybe get a crush sleeve eliminator shim set, I hate crush sleeves...

As recommended above, the backing plates and axle seals are pretty cheap from Rock Auto.

Good luck, especially if you try to fight the seller and shipper!!!
They told me I have to submit a claim but might deny it as my VIN states I should have the 3.73 gear not the 4.30 as per OEM. I replied that all of my part searches on their site never stated I needed to purchase the same as my vehicle came from the factory with, that the 4.30 is the optional gear for the EX, and in fact the receipt sent states "Axle Assembly, Rear 4.30 RATIO - YMM Fits: 2004 FORD EXCURSION". I told them to the best of my knowledge no 2004 Excursion came with the strap style yolk, yet that is what they sent me.
 
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Old Jan 9, 2020 | 03:59 PM
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I would measure the u-joint. You may be able to drop the flange off of the shaft and attach the joint to the yoke with the appropriate u-bolts.
 
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Old Jan 10, 2020 | 02:14 PM
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I'll have to crawl underneath and do some measuring to see how far that will move the trans yolk out on the shaft. I'm guessing the plate style yolk is stronger than the strap though, but am sure they have used the strap type for heavy-duty use before w/o any real problems. Changing from the 3.73 to the 4.30 pulling my ~ 8k lb trailer should actually help in that area?
 
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Old Jan 10, 2020 | 02:23 PM
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Yes going from 3.73 to 4.30 will help alot. If it helped on my 5.4 it will help your V10 even more. You will notice it more on hills where the X normally downshifted out of OD.
 
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Old Jan 10, 2020 | 03:15 PM
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Just got off the phone with LKQ and they are admitting the part (rear compete axle) seems to have been mislabeled for my application and they are willing to swap it out for another. They have given me 2 VIN's to check for compatibility. Anyone know where to look to find what rear end axle came with what VIN?

1FTNXQ1C74EA74747
1FTNW20C04EC50350

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Old Jan 10, 2020 | 09:12 PM
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Most of the VIN sites I have tried tell me the VIN is not valid. https://www.vindecoderz.com/EN/check...NW20C04EC50350 has the VIN listed as a 2004 Ford F-250 Super Duty, but does not really tell me much more.

I will have to check on the other VIN as it does not resolve at all.

LKQ wants me to pick one of the VIN's for them to deliver. It sounds like if its not the right one, its going to be my fault, and problem.
 
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Old Jan 11, 2020 | 10:45 PM
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LKQ online is a pain, lots of complaints. A new door I ordered for one of my Fusions was brand new, with a window sticker still on it and it had dings. They said used parts aren't perfect.
 
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Old Jan 15, 2020 | 11:44 AM
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And after LKQ said they would send a pickup tag for the axle, I got a call and they now want me to ship it back before I get my full refund.

I'm tired of dealing with them and have decided to just keep the axle they sent. It is the correct one with the exception of the yolk, so I will just swap it with mine. I already have to replace the backing plates so its not like its a lot of extra work.

To do the swap, looks like I'll need the seals and the hub tool. I'll be moving the yolk, brake calipers, rotors, lines, and any mounting brackets over from my existing axle to this replacement. What might I be missing or not thinking of?


 
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Old Jan 15, 2020 | 02:43 PM
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I would consider a crush sleeve eliminator. Shims are a much better way to set the pinion bearing preload than a crush sleeve. As your pinion seal was leaking I would go ahead and throw in new ones (inner and outer). Top it off with a factory finned aluminum cover!
 
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Old Jan 15, 2020 | 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by nitro_rat
I would consider a crush sleeve eliminator. Shims are a much better way to set the pinion bearing preload than a crush sleeve. As your pinion seal was leaking I would go ahead and throw in new ones (inner and outer). Top it off with a factory finned aluminum cover!
To properly set a new crush sleeve or use the shims, I'd have to remove the carrier. If I go that route, I might as well just had mine rebuilt. Finned diff covers do nothing for the diff due to the dead space of air behind the diff when moving forward. Those are a total waste except for the BLING factor.
 
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Old Jan 15, 2020 | 04:48 PM
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To properly set a new crush sleeve or use the shims, I'd have to remove the carrier. If I go that route, I might as well just had mine rebuilt. Finned diff covers do nothing for the diff due to the dead space of air behind the diff when moving forward. Those are a total waste except for the BLING factor.
Not the OEM 08-10 diff covers, they actually cool the oil, unlike the aftermarket ones.
 
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