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Old Dec 5, 2019 | 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Rollbar

Short 30 sec video will explain in next post.

I ordered this set and they say it will work on the 352.

when I install the tops sprocket, with the ridge/bump out (only way cause of the bolts for the cam) it will move the lower sprocket out some
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is that ok?

Also with bump as you can see I hope it won’t hit the timing cover etc.

*NOW, when I slide the harmonic balancer spacer on, I assume that will PUSH the lower sprocket back and OUT of alignment with the top.

Thanks again for the help. Really appreciate it.
OK. I see where you made your mistake now.It sounds like the cam gear was being installed backwards? Either that or not removing the cam spacer will not allow the cam gear to position correctly. It seemed to me you were saying the crank gear would not align (guess it wouldn't).

Still concerned about that dowel pin sizing though.
 
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Old Dec 5, 2019 | 08:50 PM
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This ILL was included in the COMP CAMS INSTR SHEET -




Now the dowel pin, was it tight in the cam gear when you removed it or was it loose as you showed in the video? Does the pin fit in the cam snout snugly? That pin aligns both the cam gear and fuel pump eccentric with the cam. The larger retaining washer keeps it from moving outwards.

Why a double-roller?
Thank you for the info!
The dowel pin came out with the cam gear sprocket since it was pressed into the gear,
It does kind of fit snug, there is a little play as you see in the video but not much.
Double roller, don't want to replace it again and w/a stock engine, should have to. I'm use to other engines and the timing set hard to get to but I'm glad Ford had a better idea with the FE.

 
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Old Dec 6, 2019 | 08:02 AM
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I noticed your cam gear and chain are completely dry. I always soak the chains in oil and then generously apply cam assembly lube to the chain and both the cam and crank gear. The initial startup can stretch the chain if it doesn't get adequate lubrication, and the factory design relied on oil splash alone.
 
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Old Dec 6, 2019 | 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by 66v8baby
I noticed your cam gear and chain are completely dry. I always soak the chains in oil and then generously apply cam assembly lube to the chain and both the cam and crank gear. The initial startup can stretch the chain if it doesn't get adequate lubrication, and the factory design relied on oil splash alone.
This was a test fit but thanks for the reminder, I’ll add some lube and oil.

The exchanged set in heading this way, I’ll see if the replacement set (in regards to the dowel) has to be pressed in or not.
just don’t like the play in the dowel as noted in previous videos. To me the play in the dowel might wear the cam socket after a while due to both ends the have play then just the one.
 
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Old Dec 6, 2019 | 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Rollbar
Thank you for the info!
Double roller, don't want to replace it again and w/a stock engine, should have to. I'm use to other engines and the timing set hard to get to but I'm glad Ford had a better idea with the FE.
We just went through this on my sons 390, when replacing the fuel pump we couldn't believe the amount of stretch on the roller chain, it was more then the old chain that had about 50,000 miles and this was after only 5,000 miles. We ended up pulling it and replaced with an OEM type.
 
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Old Dec 6, 2019 | 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by hiball3985
We just went through this on my sons 390, when replacing the fuel pump we couldn't believe the amount of stretch on the roller chain, it was more then the old chain that had about 50,000 miles and this was after only 5,000 miles. We ended up pulling it and replaced with an OEM type.
WoW!! Thanks.
If the next set comes in and the dowel is loose, then I might consider it, or go to a different MFG.
 
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Old Dec 6, 2019 | 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by hiball3985
... we couldn't believe the amount of stretch on the roller chain, it was more then the old chain that had about 50,000 miles and this was after only 5,000 miles. We ended up pulling it and replaced with an OEM type.
What brand? I've heard that Cloyes are held to a tighter tolerance than some others, and they also sell ~ .005" undersized sets for engines where the mains have been line-bored or somesuch?
 
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Old Dec 6, 2019 | 11:11 AM
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I should say this is the first roller we have used, and I don't know what others have experienced with longevity. If it wasn't for the fuel pump failure we wouldn't have known and still driving it. With that much stretch we didn't like the idea of it retarding cam timing.
 
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Old Dec 6, 2019 | 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Tedster9
What brand? I've heard that Cloyes are held to a tighter tolerance than some others, and they also sell ~ .005" undersized sets for engines where the mains have been line-bored or somesuch?
It was a Cloyes, I've always used their regular chain sets with no problems that why we chose it.
 
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Old Dec 6, 2019 | 07:18 PM
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Huh. I've always heard Cloyes are the ones to get. It sure would be handy if engines had incorporated some external way of conveniently advancing/retarding the timing set without having to drain the coolant and disassemble practically the entire front of the engine, some kind of access cover and a locknut w/ adjustment screw or something like that.
 
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Old Dec 8, 2019 | 08:17 AM
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This post may be of interest - https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...ear-dowel.html
 
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Old Dec 8, 2019 | 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by KULTULZ
Yep thank you very much.
I received the new timing set (same mfg) yesterday and the pin is not as loose as the last set.
I removed the spacer and going to test the pin depth tomorrow.
 
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Old Dec 8, 2019 | 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Rollbar

I received the new timing set (same mfg) yesterday and the pin is not as loose as the last set.

I removed the spacer and going to test the pin depth tomorrow.
COMP CAMS quality seems to be going down. Cloyes next time around maybe?
 
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Old Dec 8, 2019 | 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by KULTULZ
COMP CAMS quality seems to be going down. Cloyes next time around maybe?
Yes I'm debating on sending it back, I need to check the dowel again/test fit.

I know CLoyes but can't afford the coin right now for a double.

I did see a Edelbrock double but not sure about the product.

Also looked at Summit brand but not sure who makes it. Might be better than Comp and for a stock 352.
Link - https://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-g6608r-9
 
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Old Jan 9, 2020 | 02:04 PM
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Just a note: Sent back the CompCams timing set and the dowel still acted like the first set if anyone was wondering.

66v8baby: Below are the pics of the pulley I have.








 
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