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Old Sep 29, 2019 | 03:48 AM
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https://www.hotrod.com/articles/mode...ord-fe-engine/ anybody done this conversion to their 352 F truck
 
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Old Sep 29, 2019 | 07:46 AM
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I like it! The price wasn't unreasonable; I knew it wasn't going to be cheap. I'm glad the aftermarket continues to support the FE engine.

I've noticed that a lot of people put a lot of effort into a restoration and then get tired of it pretty quick and put it up for sale. You can't get your money back on these trucks so you have to buy/build it for your own enjoyment. There are a few things that IMO are necessary to make it fun and practical to drive regularly: PS, PB, A/C (depending on where you live), an OD trans and for me a good radio. I know there are a few hardcore folks who are content with everything original, spartan and old school, but they're the exception not the rule.
 
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Old Oct 7, 2019 | 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by 66v8baby
I like it! The price wasn't unreasonable; I knew it wasn't going to be cheap. I'm glad the aftermarket continues to support the FE engine.

I've noticed that a lot of people put a lot of effort into a restoration and then get tired of it pretty quick and put it up for sale. You can't get your money back on these trucks so you have to buy/build it for your own enjoyment. There are a few things that IMO are necessary to make it fun and practical to drive regularly: PS, PB, A/C (depending on where you live), an OD trans and for me a good radio. I know there are a few hardcore folks who are content with everything original, spartan and old school, but they're the exception not the rule.
I have a great sound system in my 65 f100 lwb. I think the original brakes work great, the steering is ok as long as I'm rolling. My wing windows and floor vents open for adequate ventilation @70 mph. An overdrive or two speed test end would be nice. LoL
My 63, that I hope to drive before I die will have power steering, independent four wheel suspension, power disc brakes, a five speed overdrive trans, and probably no AC. I better go work on it.
 
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Old Oct 7, 2019 | 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Thunderkiss1965
I think the original brakes work great,.
Well don't drive down I-17 between Flagstaff and Phoenix because the stock brakes will likely put you in a ditch on the side of a mountain!

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the steering is ok as long as I'm rolling..
I guess you never have to park in a parking lot then? Kind of limits where/how you use it doesn't it?

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My 63, that I hope to drive before I die will have power steering, independent four wheel suspension, power disc brakes, a five speed overdrive trans, and probably no AC. I better go work on it.
Now that sounds like something you can have fun with!
 
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Old Oct 7, 2019 | 05:08 PM
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66V8baby, The 4-wheel drum brakes with a single pot master cylinder, when equipped with proper linings and adjusted correctly will stop the heck out of my truck. I have been in several situations where I needed to stop post-haste, driving on southern California freeways with a hotrodded 352.
They don't call it "Armstrong steering" for nothin, I have no problem parking or making a u-turn with one hand on the wheel and the other on my dates knee. Well until I have to shift.
I like driving my truck, every day, the way it was built. It's very original and I don't see a reason to change it. The 63 Uni, on the other hand, has been changed and modified and beat to hell, I don't mind doing whatever to that truck.
 
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Old Oct 8, 2019 | 06:27 AM
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I too have 4 drums on my '66, but after a near miss pulling into a grocery store parking lot when a woman came flying by out of nowhere, I decided they needed a little help. I used the '68 up 3" drums with ceramic matrix shoes and a power booster. It stops as good as discs now but still has an original look. I understand wanting to keep it original when it's clean and mostly original when you bought it. Glad you're able to enjoy it as is.
 
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Old Oct 8, 2019 | 07:21 AM
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There’s a reason why light trucks no longer come from the factory with drum brakes. Drive through a foot of water and you will have limited braking coming out the other side.
Braking from 70+ mph is greatly reduced as distance is increased, drum brake fade is real.
I too had drum brakes on my truck. For 34 years. I recently converted to disc in the front with wider 1969 drums and axles in the rear.
The difference is night and day.
 
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Old Oct 8, 2019 | 07:42 AM
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Drive through a foot of water and you will have limited braking coming out the other side.
That's a good point. My truck will never be a true daily driver, I won't knowingly take it out in the rain (to avoid rust), and don't normally drive in creeks, so I should be OK there.

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Braking from 70+ mph is greatly reduced as distance is increased, drum brake fade is real.
I too had drum brakes on my truck. For 34 years. I recently converted to disc in the front with wider 1969 drums and axles in the rear.
The difference is night and day.
The wider ceramic shoes made a huge difference in brake response, and the main advantage they advertise is greatly reduced brake fade. I have a '76 F150 I just got running again (still working out some fuel leak issues though). I will do a brake comparison to see how well they compare on dry pavement. I don't live anywhere near where I can safely hit 70 mph though so it will be 60 to zero at best.
 
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Old Oct 8, 2019 | 12:30 PM
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As far as linings go, I have a source for oe type asbestos linings, and man do they stop !
I live in southern California, Whats a puddle?
 
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Old Oct 9, 2019 | 09:17 AM
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Back to the original topic; after further consideration, the Gear Vendors overdrive would be much cheaper and much easier to install. I have a 390 with a freshly rebuilt C6 in my '76 F150. I would consider the GV overdrive if I was planning to keep it for 10 years. I have too many projects though so it's not worth pouring money into it since I would never get it back.
 
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Old Oct 9, 2019 | 04:12 PM
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I agree one hundred percent, those gear vendors units are pretty sweet, and they are mighty proud of them. On a side note, I live about two miles from GV's location.
 
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Old Nov 13, 2023 | 03:01 PM
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Seriously considering, starting my first restoration project on a 66 F100 LWB where it has the T18 transmission mated to a 390 (possibly 428 - haven't measured stroke yet to determine). I know the T18 is pretty resilient and I love a manual but that setup with a 4L60E would be pretty sweet. Main goal of purchasing the truck was to have the wifey sitting next to me on long drives with no known destination
 
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Old Nov 13, 2023 | 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Graytown
Seriously considering, starting my first restoration project on a 66 F100 LWB where it has the T18 transmission mated to a 390 (possibly 428 - haven't measured stroke yet to determine). I know the T18 is pretty resilient and I love a manual but that setup with a 4L60E would be pretty sweet. Main goal of purchasing the truck was to have the wifey sitting next to me on long drives with no known destination
In the four years since this thread was started I have done a ton of work to my truck, including upgrading the trans. First to a T18 and finally to a TKX 5speed manual with overdrive. For probably not much more than you would spend converting to automatic.
One thing I haven't changed is brakes. Well I did upgrade to a two pot master cylinder and replaced all the hydraulics. But still four drums, no boost. I've also put 50.000 miles on it since then.
 
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Old Nov 14, 2023 | 09:36 AM
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Thanks Thunder for the lead on TKX, an option I haven't considered. What was the driving experience going from the T18 to the TKX?
 
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Old Nov 14, 2023 | 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Graytown
Thanks Thunder for the lead on TKX, an option I haven't considered. What was the driving experience going from the T18 to the TKX?
Like night and day. The T18 drives like a three speed on the floor, with an extra low gear that is mostly useless unless you are towing a house.
The TKX turned my truck into a modern driving vehicle, with a useable first gear, and overdrive that puts me at 2200 RPM @80 MPH. With syncro's in ALL forward gears, I can downshift to first at ten MPH or so if necessary. It's a really nice trans that we swap into all sorts of old iron at the shop I'm working at, so kits are available. Btw, I did the swap before I got this current job, and had the owner drive my "Resume," I'm pretty sure it helped him make the decision to hire me.
One more thing, when you order your trans they will likely push you towards a hydraulic clutch system. I stayed with the original manual linkage, less things to go wrong. After almost three years I do not regret that decision.

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Installation pics. I wrote up a pretty good step by step installation post, search my name and you will find it.
 
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