I have read a lot about this DW thing. I honestly have never experienced it with my 2017 F250 4x4

Now, I have made a few changes and was worried that I might eventually experience the DW but have not yet. Hopefully I never will.

Changes,
2.5" Level Kit - Good one with Brackets to keep everything lined up right.
20x9 Aftermarket Wheels wearing NITTO Terra Grapplers
Fresh Front End Alignment after the Level Kit
Also added for my peace of mind, Rough Country Front, Dual Shock, Stabilizing Kit
During Oil Changes, I always rotate and re-balance the wheels /tires.

The ride is now a bit better than it was stock. Same tire pressure as the factory AT Tires were just a lot wider and now running 20's instead of 18's. Never have I experienced the feared Death Wobble. Maybe I'm just lucky and everything simply lines up properly with my F250 Super Duty. Normal speed for me on HWY is about 80mph with no issues.

 

I have encountered DW many many times over the years. Generally a slow down and a swing by Midnight Auto Supply for a fresh SS solves the problem, but not always:

While out in Pomona, Ca attending the Off-Road Expo I was driving I 10 which is in dire need of repair. The road is rougher than a Nyquil hangover and no one's friend, Death Wobble, is trying to hitch a ride with me at about 70 mph. Of course, it picked a great time to do it as I was lifting a cup of near-boiling coffee to my lips.

Suddenly I find myself trying to steer, dodge boiling coffee and traffic at the same time. I’ve got 7 or 8 cars around me that are watching the Jeep Rubicon do the Death Wobble 2-step, My Mickey D's coffee is everywhere but mostly on the inside of the windshield, my lower lip and between my legs which is causing me to lift out of my seat.

Finally, I get the Jeep settled down enough to pull over in the wish I wasn’t here lane. I get out to do an inspection and of course, normal cars are whizzing by only inches from my burnt body. At least the wind is making my crotch and lower lip feel a little better.

Turning the Jeep around at the next exit and heading back to the motel to change clothes, and try to figure out what to do about my lower lip. I also need to think about what I can tell my wife that she will believe about why I have a scalded crotch.

 

So far it looks like the new tires fixed my truck. Went with BFG KO2. Note they also did the alignment with the new tires so that could be part of it. Prior to the tires they changed the track bar and track bar ball joint and that didn't fix it.

 

They replaced a steering stabilizer, one of many, this one was suppose to be a good part, well the DW is still there. Now we wait, supposedly a Ford engineer is coming to meet with the dealership and myself, to try and recitify this issue. Stay tuned.

 

Hahahaha. Not true.

 

Shhhhh, he prob paid $$$ for it, not knowing that 78% of the air we breathe is...Nitrogen! Biggest scam since Global Warming

 

Slap one of these on. Buy the cheaper Bilstein 5100 stabilizers. Bet your DW will disappear! 2005-19 Ford F-250/350 HD Dual Stabilizer Kit

 

I was told my tires were nitro filled, even have the green caps, but I definitely see fluctuating PSI. Who knows if they actually did nitro fill them.

 

The thing about nitrogen filling is that with only one valve stem they can't purge the air that's in 'em.

They just compress the air in the tire with Nitrogen.

 

Nitrogen is nothing but a money grab for dealers. Dealers look for every single way they can to scam money out of the customer. Look at what they charge for DOC fees, bunch of BS. They charge for financing, dealer prep, clear coat sealant, ect. They add on for splash guards that can be ordered on the car for 1/3 the price, roof rack, GAP insurance, life insurance, getting financing through the dealer, and so forth.

Has anyone noticed how little they give for a trade in compared to the same exact vehicle sitting on their lot? The mega dealers own the majority of franchise dealerships, and they are constantly working together to give as little for a trade as they can, while charging as much for a used vehicle as possible by offering long term financing for it. With the used prices today, you can buy new cheaper with the incentives and low interest rates, if you have good credit.

Since the financial collapse of 2007-2009, most of the mom and pop franchise dealers have disappeared, and the mega's have gobbled up the areas left open. They work together to set trade and retail values. The trade values in NADA, KBB, Black Book, ect, are all based upon what the franchise dealers report to them. Anytime they can get a trade-in cheaper, and sell any car on their lot higher, that changes the values for next month's book. They can then tell the customer the book value for their car is at some very low price only because they talked someone into trading their old car in at a low price that was then reported to the corporation that supplies all the data to places like KBB, NADA, ect.

It's all a big scam that hit the big time when Cash for Clunkers was started. It was somewhat like this before, but it went big time after CFC. The franchise dealers could not sell any new cars at that time, so they started noticing they could sell used cars for much more money than before if they could procure financing for their customers. The franchise dealers then began keeping cars they once sent to the auctions.

I was a dealer at that time. The good used cars were either sold at the franchise dealers, or destroyed because of the Cash for Clunkers rules. All that was left for small dealers were junkers that sold at auction for more than a good car that was going to be destroyed because of CFC. The big franchise dealers were laughing all the way to the bank once they figured out the big money was in used cars.

Has anyone looked at the price of used cars compared to new? Many times a new car with incentives and good finance rates can be bought for less than a 2-3 year old used car. This all started with Cash for Clunkers. One of the most corrupt ideas ever conceived in order to help mega-dealers, and shaft the consumer and small used car dealers.

 

I agree with some of what was said, but I think it's an over generalization. Starting with the nitro fill, yes it kinda gimmicky and should be free but it can be negotiated out. On my deal I wasnt even aware of it, noticed it on one of the forms at the end and asked about it. My final price was already negotiated, they showed a lower purchase price to compensate for the nitro charge. Doc fees are something that vary, in this state they seem to be standard at $85, not entirely unreasonable. As far as new costing less than used, that may be true for certain vehicles, I wouldn't know. I can say that it is not true when comparing new to used Super Duty's. I was in the used market for quite some time, there is a cost savings going used on a Super Duty, even just a 1 year old truck. 2-3 years old is much less than new.
Sure, some dealers will price them high, almost what they could be had for new, but that's not what they are getting for them.

 

i had my DW addressed at 24k with the replacement of the steering stabilizer. it was gone till recently-
truck is at 51k, tires are worn but seem to be worn evenly.

I suppose I am now on my own due to being out of the 36k warranty?
I may replace the SS with a factory 1 and hope to pass the time until the tires need replacing. I plan on a leveling kit and 37" tires then I will put a dual on at that time I guess?

 

Rancho 5415 SS $68.00

 

Cheap trash tires is a big part in my opinion. I have owned many super duties and never had this issue. When I modify a truck in anyway I don’t use the cheapest crap.

 

Since most people are having the issue at 15-25k miles I would guess they are on OEM tires - which aren't particularly cheap. OEMs get the best of the best of the tires from the factory...