My 2017 Death Trap
Mountain Pass
Joined: Apr 2016
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If you want to keep this going, YES, the engineers at Ford do have it figured out; BUT, do all of the parts suppliers have it figured out where just ONE sub-standard part NEVER makes it to the assembly line. (All it takes is one.) Then the final consumer takes it to the Ford Fix-it shop, where the parts replacer does NOT have a clue what to look for to actually fix the problem.
The OP has about three choices here
1. Find somebody that actually KNOWS how to fix it. (As previously stated, it IS fixable.)
2. Learn to fix it himself.
3. Trade vehicles.
The OP has about three choices here
1. Find somebody that actually KNOWS how to fix it. (As previously stated, it IS fixable.)
2. Learn to fix it himself.
3. Trade vehicles.
Hotshot
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 10,154
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From: Texas
No offense, but this makes you sound like a paid spokesman/shill for Ford. If this was an isolated incident, that is one thing. It's not- this is a multiple year problem spanning multiple generations and chassis/frame iterations. PLENTY of time to get the engineering and manufacturing standards where they need to be, even from suppliers.
Cargo Master
Joined: Jan 2017
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after the ram redesign in 2014 you dont hear of death wobble much anymore. could you dig up a thread or two, sure. but its not epidemic. this site, dw threads are every where. you can say theres more forums members here , more fords on the road, etc etc. but i dont buy that excuse. ford has a engineering problem if you ask me. some people are getting the wobbles practically on the ride home from buying the truck
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Cross-Country
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For some that have missed this, everything has been replaced in the steering system to include the trac bar, ball joints etc.. Now to see what happens tomorrow. I know that the service writer that I trust showed me a stack of out of spec parts that had been sourced through Ford, and had been told by them not to use them, as Ford determined that the parts within a specific date of manufacture were not any good. So it begs the question as to the quality of parts being used. Stay tuned.
Hotshot
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 10,154
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From: Texas
For some that have missed this, everything has been replaced in the steering system to include the trac bar, ball joints etc.. Now to see what happens tomorrow. I know that the service writer that I trust showed me a stack of out of spec parts that had been sourced through Ford, and had been told by them not to use them, as Ford determined that the parts within a specific date of manufacture were not any good. So it begs the question as to the quality of parts being used. Stay tuned.
Tuned
Joined: May 2017
Posts: 467
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From: Mount Arlington, NJ
For some that have missed this, everything has been replaced in the steering system to include the trac bar, ball joints etc.. Now to see what happens tomorrow. I know that the service writer that I trust showed me a stack of out of spec parts that had been sourced through Ford, and had been told by them not to use them, as Ford determined that the parts within a specific date of manufacture were not any good. So it begs the question as to the quality of parts being used. Stay tuned.
Cargo Master
Joined: Jan 2017
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The word with Rams has generally been, if you have DW, go with Moog parts instead of Mopar, and it will greatly reduce - if not completely solve - the problem. For the "third gen" (1994-2002) Rams, the Moog replacement ball joints felt more robust just holding them in the hand.
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$800 for what?
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Posting Guru
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The claim of no variance with nitrogen is bogus. Having regular old air will perform the same as nitrogen. Both air and straight nitrogen behave close to an ideal gas. For a given volume, the pressure increases linearly with an increase in absolute temperature. Thus running either gas in a tire will have the same pressure increase as the tire heats up.
Mountain Pass
Joined: Jul 2018
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These “death wobble” threads are amazing.
These trucks are not poorly designed. There are many 100000s of us that have not experienced it(on our superdutys).
If everything is tight that should be tight....if the tires are in good shape, with correct pressures and round.....if the front end geometry hasn’t been altered from the way it was originally designed(lifted or “leveled”), there will be no “death wobble”.
This is more than my opinion. I like this forum....lots of good info here and it’s quite interesting. AND, you’re right in thinking that I shouldn’t read threads that I deem as an overreaction......so, I’ll let you carry on overreacting.
Good luck with your DW......try different tires first.
These trucks are not poorly designed. There are many 100000s of us that have not experienced it(on our superdutys).
If everything is tight that should be tight....if the tires are in good shape, with correct pressures and round.....if the front end geometry hasn’t been altered from the way it was originally designed(lifted or “leveled”), there will be no “death wobble”.
This is more than my opinion. I like this forum....lots of good info here and it’s quite interesting. AND, you’re right in thinking that I shouldn’t read threads that I deem as an overreaction......so, I’ll let you carry on overreacting.
Good luck with your DW......try different tires first.
More Turbo
Joined: Sep 2016
Posts: 618
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These “death wobble” threads are amazing.
These trucks are not poorly designed. There are many 100000s of us that have not experienced it(on our superdutys).
If everything is tight that should be tight....if the tires are in good shape, with correct pressures and round.....if the front end geometry hasn’t been altered from the way it was originally designed(lifted or “leveled”), there will be no “death wobble”.
This is more than my opinion. I like this forum....lots of good info here and it’s quite interesting. AND, you’re right in thinking that I shouldn’t read threads that I deem as an overreaction......so, I’ll let you carry on overreacting.
Good luck with your DW......try different tires first.
These trucks are not poorly designed. There are many 100000s of us that have not experienced it(on our superdutys).
If everything is tight that should be tight....if the tires are in good shape, with correct pressures and round.....if the front end geometry hasn’t been altered from the way it was originally designed(lifted or “leveled”), there will be no “death wobble”.
This is more than my opinion. I like this forum....lots of good info here and it’s quite interesting. AND, you’re right in thinking that I shouldn’t read threads that I deem as an overreaction......so, I’ll let you carry on overreacting.
Good luck with your DW......try different tires first.
Already had the balljoint replaced once...guess 3rd maybe the charm?
Senior User
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 428
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From: Northeast PA
Can someone give a definition to the Death Wobble scenario?
I searched but I couldn't really find the definitive Death Wobble thread.
What is it
When does it occur
Is it isolated to any particular body / bed configurations?
Is it isolated to a particular driveline (4X4 or RWD)?
I have a 2wd Supercab Long bed Dually incoming and reading so much traffic about this Death Wobble... Should I be scared?
Thanks!
jimmy pet
I searched but I couldn't really find the definitive Death Wobble thread.
What is it
When does it occur
Is it isolated to any particular body / bed configurations?
Is it isolated to a particular driveline (4X4 or RWD)?
I have a 2wd Supercab Long bed Dually incoming and reading so much traffic about this Death Wobble... Should I be scared?
Thanks!
jimmy pet
Cross-Country
Joined: Oct 2019
Posts: 50
Likes: 0
Can someone give a definition to the Death Wobble scenario?
I searched but I couldn't really find the definitive Death Wobble thread.
What is it
When does it occur
Is it isolated to any particular body / bed configurations?
Is it isolated to a particular driveline (4X4 or RWD)?
I have a 2wd Supercab Long bed Dually incoming and reading so much traffic about this Death Wobble... Should I be scared?
Thanks!
jimmy pet
I searched but I couldn't really find the definitive Death Wobble thread.
What is it
When does it occur
Is it isolated to any particular body / bed configurations?
Is it isolated to a particular driveline (4X4 or RWD)?
I have a 2wd Supercab Long bed Dually incoming and reading so much traffic about this Death Wobble... Should I be scared?
Thanks!
jimmy pet
I dont keep up with 2wd but pretty sure it’s IFS? Surely not the dana 60. Completely different front end so no worries. And DW is rare though you can see it a lot online the ratio is small. When it happens, real DW, you will know. You are forced to slow and stop completely. There will be no question as the front end feels like it’s bouncing off the ground. All the people that Blame the issue in tires are just jumping the gun on out of balance tires, which is not the same. You can’t accelerate or slow out of DW. Once it starts you have to stop the truck to stop the oscillating. Than you can start driving again till it’s triggered again. It is very scary. Been there done that. And it’s not hard fix. Sadley this thread is example of how incompetent dealers can be, or unwilling to go extra mile, if the OP lived by me I could help him get this fixed for a case of brown water. It’s not complicated he is just getting the run around.