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Old Mar 5, 2019 | 11:32 AM
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Let's assume you go from 15 mpg to 16 mpg with a new CAI. Diesel costs $2.60/gal on average. Let's assume that a CAI is $350 delivered to your door. We can calculate the break-even point from those data. The cost per mile is ($/gal)/(mpg). You need the difference between before and after states to be $350, the cost of investment:

m = C/((1/B - 1/A)*$),

where m is the miles driven to break even, C is the cost of the CAI, B is the fuel economy with CAI, A is the fuel economy before the CAI, and $ is price of diesel fuel per gallon. Using the numbers above: m = 32,307.

So, assuming those figures, you'll pay for your CAI in about 3 years with average driving. Payback period is reduced (quicker) if diesel costs more, if your fuel economy is worse (e.g., 13 mpg to 14 mpg), or if the delta is larger (e.g., 15 mpg to 16.5 mpg).

Hope this helps.
 
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Old Mar 5, 2019 | 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by 67L48
Let's assume you go from 15 mpg to 16 mpg with a new CAI. Diesel costs $2.60/gal on average. Let's assume that a CAI is $350 delivered to your door. We can calculate the break-even point from those data. The cost per mile is ($/gal)/(mpg). You need the difference between before and after states to be $350, the cost of investment:

m = C/((1/B - 1/A)*$),

where m is the miles driven to break even, C is the cost of the CAI, B is the fuel economy with CAI, A is the fuel economy before the CAI, and $ is price of diesel fuel per gallon. Using the numbers above: m = 32,307.

So, assuming those figures, you'll pay for your CAI in about 3 years with average driving. Payback period is reduced (quicker) if diesel costs more, if your fuel economy is worse (e.g., 13 mpg to 14 mpg), or if the delta is larger (e.g., 15 mpg to 16.5 mpg).

Hope this helps.
The problem is that you assume you go from 15mpg to 16mpg, when in my experience you go from 15 to 15...
 
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Old Mar 5, 2019 | 11:37 AM
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Correct. The numbers I used do assume a benefit. I'm not trying to suggest that there definitely will be a benefit. I'm only trying to give some guidance on how to monetize a slight mpg benefit. I thought it was obvious that if there were no mileage gains, there would be no payback of the investment. Perhaps I should have explicitly stated that?
 
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Old Mar 5, 2019 | 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by 67L48
Correct. The numbers I used do assume a benefit. I'm not trying to suggest that there definitely will be a benefit. I'm only trying to give some guidance on how to monetize a slight mpg benefit. I thought it was obvious that if there were no mileage gains, there would be no payback of the investment. Perhaps I should have explicitly stated that?
I'm pretty sure everyone understands the basic math required to amortize a return on investment, but are here asking in numerous threads if there even is a return.
 
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Old Mar 5, 2019 | 04:55 PM
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You are assuming here.
Modern OEM intakes are supporting an engine making tremendous power. They are not compromising on flow, otherwise those numbers along with maintaining good EGT would not be possible for John Q Public.
Aftermarket products are accessories, nothing more. A CAI is a perfect example of an accessory, and not a performance breakthrough..
Half of an accessory companies job is to make you think you need them, supported by fear of losing out on power. It’s marketing BS.



Yep, and the IRS spends your money much more efficiently than you ever could...and trucks really should cost $100k, right. You’ve been sold a bill of goods if you think big-corp America has your best interests at the heart of their P&L.
 
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Old Mar 5, 2019 | 05:01 PM
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Yep, and the IRS spends your money much more efficiently than you ever could...and trucks really should cost $100k, right. You’ve been sold a bill of goods if you think big-corp America has your best interests at the heart of their P&L.
While I totally agree with your sentiment, that doesn't deserve facto mean that a CAI actually does anything but make more noise with a stock motor.
 
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Old Mar 5, 2019 | 05:21 PM
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I have a brand new 2019 Ford F-350. I was so excited to continue my accessorizing, so I stopped by a very reputable Diesel Performace Company here in Salt Lake City, to discuss an intake and a 5" exhaust. The people there were very helpful, and honest. Their answer... "I'd love to sell you a thousand dollars worth of this stuff, but these new Fords are so dialed in from the factory, you would be throwing money away for no gains to your vehicle". They also said in some instances, their clients lost MPG and HP. I've steered away from this, as I trust their honesty, plus I need to stuff a 35" spare under the truck, and I've read they won't fit with a 5" aftermarket exhaust.

I do agree that a better filter could be on the horizon, though.
 
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Old Mar 5, 2019 | 06:17 PM
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CAI's work. I got 5mpg increase and 2 inches taller after installing one. I also got a big promotion at work and my wife looks like a 25 year old gymnast after I installed one. Not to mention the lottery winnings. You really can't go wrong with a CAI.
/sarcasm

Can you please post a link or product name to the CAI that you bought. (asking for a friend).
 
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Old Mar 9, 2019 | 01:44 AM
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I ended up putting a k&n intake on my 6.2 at some point. Definitely had better throttle response and also sounded nice around town. I couldn’t take the noise on the highway. I destroyed it and got refunded my money. I don’t know if it was an enclosed system like the Afe or s&b if it would have been more tolerable. Personally I would spend your money on something else.
 
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Old Mar 9, 2019 | 10:10 AM
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I ended up putting a k&n intake on my 6.2 at some point. Definitely had better throttle response and also sounded nice around town. I couldn’t take the noise on the highway. I destroyed it and got refunded my money. I don’t know if it was an enclosed system like the Afe or s&b if it would have been more tolerable. Personally I would spend your money on something else.
Agreed, that bridge in Arizona would have a better return.
 
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Old Mar 9, 2019 | 10:11 AM
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Okay, I'm convinced. Not adding the CAI. Just thought it might be a good idea if it did improve gas mileage a little.
 
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