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Old Feb 28, 2019 | 08:51 PM
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Misbehaving Instrument Cluster

Today I made a quick run into town in my ’77 F100, 302, automatic, stock, when I noticed something odd.

I’d gone about 15 miles into town, made a quick stop at the market and had just started coming home when I noticed the temperature gauge was pegged all the way hot.
My first thought was, “oh, crap, what now?”, but then I noticed the oil pressure gauge was also pegged to the far right (almost that is, but outside the ‘normal’ range and higher than I’d ever seen it).
While trying to think of something that would be causing both the temperature and oil pressure gauges to both ready abnormally high at the same time, I noticed my fuel gauge was also pegged to right. Knowing I had between ½ - ¾ of a tank, I figured something must be going on to make the gauges read wrong.

I pulled over, stopped the engine and sat for about five minutes hoping whatever was going on would ‘reset’. Started back up, but all three gauges immediately went to the maximum reading (needle sweep seemed like a normal start-up; nothing abnormal in the speed and no other odd behavior like jerking or hesitating, or plunging then climbing).
Since the truck seemed to running ok, I decided to see if I could at least make it home, a drive of about 12 miles from where I was.
Everything seemed to be fine and about four miles into the drive back to the house all three needles suddenly dropped back into their normal, expected, range.
For what it’s worth, I have the 5-gauge cluster: oil pressure above fuel gauge on the left, speedometer/odometer in the center, and ammeter (correct name? It’s the D – C, ‘charge-discharge’ meter, not a volt meter) above temperature on the right.
The ammeter stayed dead-steady in the center throughout the whole event. Nothing else seemed to misbehave, either: headlights and dash lights steady – no flickering, engine ran as normal, nothing else odd.

Any ideas as to what would cause three of my gauges to temporarily misbehave?
This is the first time I’ve noticed this, and I’ve had the truck for just under a year and have put probably 8-10K miles on it.
Other than some odd grounding issue somewhere that I’ll probably never find, is there anything else I should be investigating? I’m a bit stumped on this.

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Old Feb 28, 2019 | 09:26 PM
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Could be the Instrument Cluster Voltage Regulator or ICVR has failed, it's on the back of the cluster too. It just contains a bi-metallic strip, it heats up and then makes/breaks contact effectively reducing the voltage by about half. The gauges are actually "6 volt" units, up until the 1980s probably.
 
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Old Feb 28, 2019 | 10:53 PM
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D1AZ-10804-A .. ICVR - Instrument Cluster Voltage Regulator (Motorcraft GR-513) / Obsolete ~ Available NOS & from auto parts stores.

1971/86 F100/350 / 1971/91 Econoline / 1978/86 Bronco / 1983/85 Ranger / 1984/85 Bronco II // Myriad 1971/79 FoMoCo Passenger Cars.

When this puppy fails, it affects the fuel, temp and oil pressure gauges. The gauge needles may peg, or do the "hula" .. swing wildly back/forth on their own.
 
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Old Mar 1, 2019 | 12:12 PM
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Thank you, gentlemen!
My symptoms sound exactly like a bad/failing ICVR. Off to the local parts store.

I swear this site is a godsend. I don't know how long, if ever, it would have taken me to figure this one out.

Thanks again,
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Old Mar 3, 2019 | 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by NumberDummy
D1AZ-10804-A .. ICVR - Instrument Cluster Voltage Regulator (Motorcraft GR-513) / Obsolete ~ Available NOS & from auto parts stores.

1971/86 F100/350 / 1971/91 Econoline / 1978/86 Bronco / 1983/85 Ranger / 1984/85 Bronco II // Myriad 1971/79 FoMoCo Passenger Cars.

When this puppy fails, it affects the fuel, temp and oil pressure gauges. The gauge needles may peg, or do the "hula" .. swing wildly back/forth on their own.
Sir can you advise if you believe this would only effect 1-2 of the gauges? I have a 1979 F150 and the temp gauge is always 2/3-3/4 towards hot, even though when testing the block with a temp gun the reading is 185-190. My fuel gauge is often incorrect as well. Thanks for any reply.
 
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Old Mar 5, 2019 | 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by adebord


Sir can you advise if you believe this would only effect 1-2 of the gauges? I have a 1979 F150 and the temp gauge is always 2/3-3/4 towards hot, even though when testing the block with a temp gun the reading is 185-190. My fuel gauge is often incorrect as well. Thanks for any reply.
Wondering the same thing. My fuel gauge will occasionally drop to zero with plenty of gas still in the tank even with a new sending unit. My temp gauge has risen past half way once but I don’t have a secondary gauge to verify.
 
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Old Mar 5, 2019 | 03:52 PM
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Wondering the same thing. My fuel gauge will occasionally drop to zero with plenty of gas still in the tank even with a new sending unit. My temp gauge has risen past half way once but I don’t have a secondary gauge to verify.
If the gas gauge drops to zero, you most likely have a break in the wire between the sender & the gauge cluster plug, or the connection at the sender is a little flaky.
 
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Old Mar 5, 2019 | 05:00 PM
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The tell-tale with the ICVR at fault is that it affects both the fuel and temp gauges the same. If it fails open, they probably both peg to the high side. Shorting either the fuel sender or temp wire to ground causes the gauges to peg iirc.
 
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Old Mar 6, 2019 | 01:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Tedster9
The tell-tale with the ICVR at fault is that it affects both the fuel and temp gauges the same. If it fails open, they probably both peg to the high side. Shorting either the fuel sender or temp wire to ground causes the gauges to peg iirc.
The ICVR only affects the fuel and temp gauges if the truck has an oil WARNING LAMP.

If the truck has an oil pressure GAUGE, the ICVR affects it and the fuel/temp gauges.

 
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Old Mar 6, 2019 | 05:28 AM
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Originally Posted by NumberDummy
The ICVR only affects the fuel and temp gauges if the truck has an oil WARNING LAMP.

If the truck has an oil pressure GAUGE, the ICVR affects it and the fuel/temp gauges.
Every truck was supplied with one or the other, no?

Either a WARNING LAMP or a GAUGE? While it's early and am working on my first cup of joe it seems to me this is a distinction without a difference. It either affects two gauges, or three. Every truck this era had an ICVR no?
 
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Originally Posted by Tedster9
Every truck was supplied with one or the other, no?

Either a WARNING LAMP or a GAUGE? While it's early and am working on my first cup of joe it seems to me this is a distinction without a difference. It either affects two gauges, or three. Every truck this era had an ICVR no?
The oil/amp warning lamps were standard equipment, the oil/amp gauges were optional.

The ICVR is the same for 1971/86 trucks (1971/91 Econoline), but it doesn't affect the oil warning lamp because it uses a different sender than the oil pressure gauge.
 
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Old Mar 8, 2019 | 08:08 AM
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Well I had another cup of coffee this morning and I still don't know what you're on about /jk

When did the ICVR make its first appearance? 1957 or thereabouts? They might be slightly different over the years but they all worked the same.

What I'm trying to point out, when they fail, the gauges will then often, though not always, act in unison. Seems to me if they fail by sticking closed, the gauges would peg, I think the "hula" feature would be the result of undamped fuel sender signals at the gauge when the ICVR fails open, the fuel sloshing around in the tank would cause wild swings of the gauge needle.
 
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