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Old Feb 23, 2019 | 06:22 AM
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Clutch/ flywheel help !

So recently I took off my transmission and need to replace the clutch I have one from a 460 I was going to use it's new and I figured it would work because it's the same transmission and whatnot from what I heard and I guess red off of FTE it works but I just took out the pilot bearing and was looking in there and I see that there's little I believe needle looking teeth in a small space between the flywheel and I believe the crankshaft but anyway there's only some of them they are about a centimeter long if that and I don't know what they're for but I need to figure out if I need to replace it or not whatever it is 460 clutch I have came wish two bearings I believe one of the small one that looks like it'll fit inside where I pulled the old pilot bearing out and the other one is about you centimeter bigger in diameter not sure if it's another pilot bearing it's silver on the outer edge black in the middle and silver on the internet age and then there's the hole for the transmission shaft I believe any help would be appreciated I need to fix this fast it's my only reliable vehicle I know of and live in Southwest Colorado so snowh hittinghard advice is appreciated
 
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Old Feb 23, 2019 | 11:15 AM
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Probably old rollers from a pilot bearing. Pull them out with a pick and install your new pilot bearing
 

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Old Feb 23, 2019 | 04:00 PM
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Sounds like old pilot bearing, need to dig it out and replace it. Grease with a punch work, a puller is better. The clutch disc will work, but i doubt the pressure plate will. Both should be replaced, if its a new disc, and you already have a single mass flywheel that you can have surfaced, you should just need a pressure plate
 
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Old Feb 23, 2019 | 07:14 PM
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So just to clarify I should be nothing including no other bearings or needles between flywheel in the crank case but that little bit of space that goes all the way around between flywheel in crankcase is normal?
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Old Feb 24, 2019 | 11:10 AM
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Take picture please.
 
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Old Feb 27, 2019 | 11:01 PM
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So I need help West directions on how to install a pilot bearing the one I got from the parts store seems to be bigger in size and then what goes into it? I don't understand how this works does only part of it go in or something?
 
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Old Feb 27, 2019 | 11:03 PM
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Also here's some pictures of what I was asking about as far as little needle like pieces of metal inside flywheel
 
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Old Feb 28, 2019 | 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Pigpendirtface08
So I need help West directions on how to install a pilot bearing the one I got from the parts store seems to be bigger in size and then what goes into it? I don't understand how this works does only part of it go in or something?
I don't get it, show a pic of the bearing. I've replaced lots of pilot bearings and they were a bronze bushing or caged needle bearings and either one easily tapped into the recess.
 
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Old Feb 28, 2019 | 05:40 PM
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The old bearing is still in there.
 
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Old Mar 1, 2019 | 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by DarkOverCast
The old bearing is still in there.
Looks like the bore in the back of the crank to me with no bushing. Unless that outer ridge IS the bushing? Generally they're obviously copper bronze colored.
 
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Old Mar 1, 2019 | 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by RaymondIV
Looks like the bore in the back of the crank to me with no bushing. Unless that outer ridge IS the bushing? Generally they're obviously copper bronze colored.
Yes that outer ridge is the bearing, and it presses into the flywheel not the crank. Different I know. It's a small roller bearing pressed into a large hunk of steel
 
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Old Mar 1, 2019 | 09:04 PM
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Okay so before I seen all those messages I guess really before you guys we're able to you respond I was thinking about it and looking at the new bearing I have and look up pictures of a new fly wheel and it came to me that I only took the needle part out that was stripped of the needles duh 🤤🤔 an thanks for all your messages!! FTE as once again saved my a** it's always relieving to get advice for more experienced mechanics being 20 years old I'm learning Hands-On. But how would you recommend to take out the rest of the bearing without proper tools I read in the Haynes Ford manual for gasoline engines for 80s and 90s they recommend using socket and packing the inner side of the fly wheel with grease tapping it and it somehow reverses pops out towards you. Also I am using a 460 clutch pad with the 460 clutch disc and if I remember correctly I think I've heard it will work? The pad has a couple of dings on it on the outer edge from being moved around nothing too crazy you but just need to make sure everything is going to work before I slap it back together keep in mind and doing it in the middle of winter with more than 7 ft of snow on the ground next to me I took it apart with chains and straps no Jack pain in the *** but it's the poor boy way any advice is appreciated 👍🤘
 
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Old Mar 2, 2019 | 07:13 AM
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Common method is round up a shaft/rod that fits snugly into the bore, then pack the bore with grease. Then whack the shaft into the bore and the "hydraulic" grease pressure drives the bearing out. If the bearing is not completely seated you can also use a slide hammer with the correct end on it that will fit behind the bushing or bearing.
 
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Old Mar 2, 2019 | 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by RaymondIV
Common method is round up a shaft/rod that fits snugly into the bore, then pack the bore with grease. Then whack the shaft into the bore and the "hydraulic" grease pressure drives the bearing out. If the bearing is not completely seated you can also use a slide hammer with the correct end on it that will fit behind the bushing or bearing.
Because the bearing mounts in the flywheel there is room to get a slide hammer behind it even with it fully tapped in.

 
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Old Mar 4, 2019 | 06:14 PM
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So I have another question what all does it take to get the flywheel off an back on I just don't really have the time to go over there where it's at and see under there all night cuz it's cold as hell I've been doing it and it's kind of a pain in the *** so was wondering if it would be easier to just take it off do it at my house and then put itit back on like just take bolts out an torque em back on just make sure it goes back on exactly I same right?
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