AC questions ????
Thread Starter
|
FTE Legend
Joined: Nov 2015
Posts: 30,915
Likes: 4,123
From: Angier, NC
AC questions ????
Truck is a 81 F100 with a 300 six and factory AC.
When I was replacing the condenser I pulled the hose off the old one that would go to the evap.
When I got the hose off there was a orifice type thing in the condenser tube?
It is not the orifice tube as that looks to be in the tube of the evap.
So could that be a filter? It was clean. If so should I leave it in the new condenser? I will be using anew orifice tube, the old one looks clean also but going from R12 to 143a I should change it.
The other question I have is with the compressor.
The truck used the big ugly York compressor and I want to switch to the smaller Sedan compressor.
I know they make bracket kits for this swap but what do you have to do for the hoses to hook up?
I am guessing you cant use the hoses for the York and I am not sure if I can use the hoses from a later model truck as I don't know if they will hook to the condenser & evap.
Any one know how this all works out?
Thanks for any information you can give.
Dave ----
When I was replacing the condenser I pulled the hose off the old one that would go to the evap.
When I got the hose off there was a orifice type thing in the condenser tube?
It is not the orifice tube as that looks to be in the tube of the evap.
So could that be a filter? It was clean. If so should I leave it in the new condenser? I will be using anew orifice tube, the old one looks clean also but going from R12 to 143a I should change it.
The other question I have is with the compressor.
The truck used the big ugly York compressor and I want to switch to the smaller Sedan compressor.
I know they make bracket kits for this swap but what do you have to do for the hoses to hook up?
I am guessing you cant use the hoses for the York and I am not sure if I can use the hoses from a later model truck as I don't know if they will hook to the condenser & evap.
Any one know how this all works out?
Thanks for any information you can give.
Dave ----
Moderator
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 56,984
Likes: 2,738
From: Virginia
Not sure what that mystery piece is. If someone has the thick factory manuals, they may have it in there.
Those big york compressors are built like tanks and seem to last, I would try to keep it. If you want to get rid of it your two choices are to save your old hoses, and find a A/C shop, there is usually one in a larger town that can make their own hoses. They will take the ends on your old hoses and crimp them onto a new hose and they can get new fittings to crimp on the other end that will fit the newer compressor.
Your other choice is to change all the hoses/evap/cond/compressor over to a newer system from the same year.
Those big york compressors are built like tanks and seem to last, I would try to keep it. If you want to get rid of it your two choices are to save your old hoses, and find a A/C shop, there is usually one in a larger town that can make their own hoses. They will take the ends on your old hoses and crimp them onto a new hose and they can get new fittings to crimp on the other end that will fit the newer compressor.
Your other choice is to change all the hoses/evap/cond/compressor over to a newer system from the same year.
Lead Driver
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 7,174
Likes: 1,174
Truck is a 81 F100 with a 300 six and factory AC.
When I was replacing the condenser I pulled the hose off the old one that would go to the evap.
When I got the hose off there was a orifice type thing in the condenser tube?
It is not the orifice tube as that looks to be in the tube of the evap.
So could that be a filter? It was clean. If so should I leave it in the new condenser? I will be using anew orifice tube, the old one looks clean also but going from R12 to 143a I should change it.
When I was replacing the condenser I pulled the hose off the old one that would go to the evap.
When I got the hose off there was a orifice type thing in the condenser tube?
It is not the orifice tube as that looks to be in the tube of the evap.
So could that be a filter? It was clean. If so should I leave it in the new condenser? I will be using anew orifice tube, the old one looks clean also but going from R12 to 143a I should change it.
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...l#post17344406
Sounds like you have found the condenser outlet filter. I still have it on my '84. Per the last post in the same thread, it was deleted by 1986.
Cargo Master
Joined: Oct 2016
Posts: 2,738
Likes: 217
From: Northern VA
That thing is probably the filter. My '86 didn't come with one. Also the new hoses I bought were chintzy and the fittings were pure chinesium alloy, so having a shop fab up new hose on the old fittings would be solid.
Thread Starter
|
FTE Legend
Joined: Nov 2015
Posts: 30,915
Likes: 4,123
From: Angier, NC
See post #4 in this thread:
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...l#post17344406
Sounds like you have found the condenser outlet filter. I still have it on my '84. Per the last post in the same thread, it was deleted by 1986.
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...l#post17344406
Sounds like you have found the condenser outlet filter. I still have it on my '84. Per the last post in the same thread, it was deleted by 1986.
I will also check out that link.
Someone said I can use 83-86 hoses as they went to Sedan compressor then but the rest of the system was still 80-82.
Dave ----
Thread Starter
|
FTE Legend
Joined: Nov 2015
Posts: 30,915
Likes: 4,123
From: Angier, NC
I re-checked Rock Auto for the hoses and found if you go for the 83 - truck they list all the hoses that fit the FS6 compressor, unlike the 80-82 York compressor hoses they only have 1 of.
I did a little more looking into the 83-86 FS6 (sedan) compressor and what I found is unless you get a junk yard one, not recommended, they don't come with the suction or discharge manifolds. That is the little part the hose screws to that is bolted to the compressor.
I spent a few hours with the truck parts CD's to try and find the part numbers and think they are:
suction E1AZ 19E583-A
discharge E1AZ 19E582-A
Think they came with the bolts & gaskets.
I will see where I can get them just in case they don't come with the compressor.
Dave ----
I did a little more looking into the 83-86 FS6 (sedan) compressor and what I found is unless you get a junk yard one, not recommended, they don't come with the suction or discharge manifolds. That is the little part the hose screws to that is bolted to the compressor.
I spent a few hours with the truck parts CD's to try and find the part numbers and think they are:
suction E1AZ 19E583-A
discharge E1AZ 19E582-A
Think they came with the bolts & gaskets.
I will see where I can get them just in case they don't come with the compressor.
Dave ----
Elder User
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 730
Likes: 0
Fuzz face, I bought all new stuff for my current daily 97 SuperCab. I got my hoses off eBay and they were reasonable and fit and went together well. My old ones were good enough to reuse, but I was changing it all, accumulator, new radiator and clutch fan and water pump and timing chain tensioners, etc. a revamp for a badly neglected SuperCab with 4.6.
From my recent deep dives locally into a/c hoses custom made to Power steering hoses custom made, to alignments, I’m finding no one wants to do much anymore. I made an AN deal with stainless wrapped rubber hose to cure my own power steering hose no one would build me. And hydraulic hose shops can be tough to find. I’m sure most ac shops could help you, but will they if you’re piecemealing the repair out yourself and stopping them from doing whole job and skimming about a grand for their shop.
i talked and went to many collision body shops who refused and told me straight up, they’d only do frame alignment on my sons car if I had them do the remainder of the repair. They had zero interest in $80 an hour shop labor for a couple hours to portapower a spot, align it, and center steering wheel. They’d do it, but also elec mirror, side ground effects, body and paint. So, they wouldn’t take on a portion of the wonky steering that had been aligned twice by one shop, turned down by another major hurry retailer as unalignable. Finally found on old guy who cured the steering and aligned it, $200.
Doing our own repairs on most anything in life is becoming more necessary as more people don’t want to work and most repair places know they only get one good humping in on you. Build a house and see how you feel by the time you’re done or hire a car painted, and you might unfortunately find my comments ring true but sour. You can’t even get hvac and cable companies to show up for appointments or estimates sometimes.
From my recent deep dives locally into a/c hoses custom made to Power steering hoses custom made, to alignments, I’m finding no one wants to do much anymore. I made an AN deal with stainless wrapped rubber hose to cure my own power steering hose no one would build me. And hydraulic hose shops can be tough to find. I’m sure most ac shops could help you, but will they if you’re piecemealing the repair out yourself and stopping them from doing whole job and skimming about a grand for their shop.
i talked and went to many collision body shops who refused and told me straight up, they’d only do frame alignment on my sons car if I had them do the remainder of the repair. They had zero interest in $80 an hour shop labor for a couple hours to portapower a spot, align it, and center steering wheel. They’d do it, but also elec mirror, side ground effects, body and paint. So, they wouldn’t take on a portion of the wonky steering that had been aligned twice by one shop, turned down by another major hurry retailer as unalignable. Finally found on old guy who cured the steering and aligned it, $200.
Doing our own repairs on most anything in life is becoming more necessary as more people don’t want to work and most repair places know they only get one good humping in on you. Build a house and see how you feel by the time you’re done or hire a car painted, and you might unfortunately find my comments ring true but sour. You can’t even get hvac and cable companies to show up for appointments or estimates sometimes.
Trending Topics
Elder User
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 730
Likes: 0
Sorry, went n curmudgeon rant and forgot to finish. I’d keep it as stock as possible other modern Freon so you can fill yourself. Also, be sure you have a special brass fitting for your vacuum pump. I got vacuum pump from oreilly tool rental deal, it had never been opened, it did not have the fitting. Neither did the one I borrowed. You’ll find this when you get setup and ready to pull vacuum and can’t attach a hose to the vacuum pump. It’s about $12-$15 fitting and hard to find. I can’t imagine getting a shop to cooperate and make custom hoses. The stock ones themselves can be a pain to not cross thread due to weight imbalance of heavy as hell hose completed with melted beer can fittings threaded by some wore out die from 1800 by trained squirrels running iPhone a wheel.
FTE Stories
Ford Trucks for Ford Truck Enthusiasts
10 Things Every Truck Owner NEEDS (2026 Edition)
Michael S. Palmer
Rezvani's Latest Post-Apocalyptic Monster Is a Ford F-150 Raptor Underneath
Verdad Gallardo
Top 10 Most Expensive Ford Trucks Ever Sold on Bring a Trailer
Joe Kucinski
2027 Ford Super Duty Buyer's Guide (Every Model, Engine, & Package)
Brett Foote
Top 10 Ford Truck Tragedies
Joe Kucinski
AEV FXL Super Duty - the Super Duty Raptor Ford Doesn't Make
Brett Foote
Lobo Vs Lobo: Proof the F-150 Lobo Should Be Even Lower!
Michael S. Palmer
Ford's 2001 Explorer Sportsman Concept Looks For a New Home
Verdad Gallardo
10 Best Ford Truck Engines We Miss the Most!
Joe Kucinski
Lead Driver
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 7,174
Likes: 1,174
As far as custom hoses, I had no problem getting new hoses fabricated at a custom shop. I think it set me back about $150 for all the hoses. They reused most of the end fittings, but replaced a couple that were worn. They had a wide variety of options for new fittings, so you shouldn't have any trouble getting whatever you need.
Here's the outfit I used, they are a nationwide franchise with several in your area:
http://www.tubesnhoses.com/system-locations
If you're having trouble finding the correct brackets for the swap, here's one option to keep your existing brackets and add an adapter:
York to Sanden A/C Conversion Kit with V-Belt Compressor
$200 for a kit with the compressor that seems to have some sort of hose connections. $50 for just the bracket, although you could probably fabricate one yourself.
Thread Starter
|
FTE Legend
Joined: Nov 2015
Posts: 30,915
Likes: 4,123
From: Angier, NC
Thanks guys for the information.
The plan right now is to use 83 - 86 4.9/300 six AC parts, (hoses & compressor) that should all work with the 83-86 compressor brackets I was told will be on their way soon.
The hoses & compressor I can get thru Rock Auto. Now I don't have to replace all the hoses, only the ones to the compressor because of the way they bend to connect.
I just feel if I an doing all this work on the system I want new hoses.
Now if for some reason the Rock Auto hoses don't pan out I have links to hose kits (ends & hose) to make up your own. I also have fond a crimper on Amazon to make the hoses so no need to deal with a shop but I will only go down that path if I have to.
Now when I looked up the 83-86 compressor they all did not have any fittings to screw the hoses to? A little more digging I found you had to reuse your old fittings (Ford calls them manifolds).
Even more digging on the parts CD I came up with the manifold part numbers and I was able to find them on line for about $100 ea.
As for hitting junk yards for parts, my work hours don't let that happen with out taking a day or 2 off and that cant happen right now.
So using the 83 - 86 parts off the shelf should get me a working AC system.
Dave ----
The plan right now is to use 83 - 86 4.9/300 six AC parts, (hoses & compressor) that should all work with the 83-86 compressor brackets I was told will be on their way soon.
The hoses & compressor I can get thru Rock Auto. Now I don't have to replace all the hoses, only the ones to the compressor because of the way they bend to connect.
I just feel if I an doing all this work on the system I want new hoses.
Now if for some reason the Rock Auto hoses don't pan out I have links to hose kits (ends & hose) to make up your own. I also have fond a crimper on Amazon to make the hoses so no need to deal with a shop but I will only go down that path if I have to.
Now when I looked up the 83-86 compressor they all did not have any fittings to screw the hoses to? A little more digging I found you had to reuse your old fittings (Ford calls them manifolds).
Even more digging on the parts CD I came up with the manifold part numbers and I was able to find them on line for about $100 ea.
As for hitting junk yards for parts, my work hours don't let that happen with out taking a day or 2 off and that cant happen right now.
So using the 83 - 86 parts off the shelf should get me a working AC system.
Dave ----
Moderator
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 56,984
Likes: 2,738
From: Virginia
You will have to do your homework, but they sell hose kits that you can make up yourself.
https://www.ebay.com/bhp/a-c-hose-kit
https://www.ebay.com/bhp/a-c-hose-kit
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
HoustonDave
1973 - 1979 F-100 & Larger F-Series Trucks
1
Oct 22, 2015 03:12 PM
orangeford
1973 - 1979 F-100 & Larger F-Series Trucks
3
Jun 2, 2015 01:33 PM
stefanwlsn
1973 - 1979 F-100 & Larger F-Series Trucks
8
Jun 30, 2010 11:34 PM