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From: Prairieville, LA
This is what I'm curious about. I always use the black button so I'd like to know if there is a signal to capture using that method.
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I had some issues with local morons coming on my property so I installed bright red and white Security Video Camera signs both sides of my driveway at the road and 3 cameras on the front of the house and garage, the problems stopped immediately.
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From: SEVA
Post 62 above says pretty much the same thing.
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From: Tomball, Tx
Yes, there is. Touch that sensor (it's not a button to be pressed) and the truck sends a signal to see if the fob is near. The fob replies if it is nearby with another signal which allows the truck to lock the door. If you're concerned about the signal being captured, just press the lock button on the door's interior panel when exiting and then close the door ... locked without transmitting a signal.
Post 62 above says pretty much the same thing.
Post 62 above says pretty much the same thing.
Laughing Gas
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I’m guess it’s telling me you are leaving with the key fob. So do I assume that honk coincides with a radio signal searching for the key fob? If not, then good.
if so, then what are my options to leave the truck locked, still running with security on without creating a signal? Is there something simpler then leaving the truck running and exit with the key fob in a faraday bag and then lock with the outside key pad ?
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From: SEVA
Can be done, but not without transmitting a signal. Shut off the truck, exit, and then immediately remote start the truck. The act of remote starting locks the doors, and It will run for 15 minutes with the AC running. Look, to "capture" a signal, the perps need to be fairly close. Do you exercise situational awareness at all times? One thing missing from this discussion is the unlock codes. Ford and other brands use "rolling codes" for unlocking the doors ... the same code is not duplicated in the near term. To capture a rolling code, the perp must first capture the initial code sent by a fob, and then the fob user may automatically press the lock button a second and thrid time to hear the honk. If the first lock signal was captured, it is still an unused code which the perps can use to unlock the vehicle. Timing such captures must be planned with fairly good precision. I wouldn't worry much of such a situation when leaving Fido in the AC vehicle environment while you're in the store for a few minutes. The bigger concern is when perps can amplify the signals between vehicle and fob to open, start & leave with the vehicle ... like when your unprotected fob is sitting insde your house, apartment, motel room, etc.. I keep my fobs in Faraday pouches (RFID blockers) when I'm parked for the night. At work, outsiders cannot reach my fob via signal ... I work in a secure environment (build submarines & aircraft carriers for a living).
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Can be done, but not without transmitting a signal. Shut off the truck, exit, and then immediately remote start the truck. The act of remote starting locks the doors, and It will run for 15 minutes with the AC running. Look, to "capture" a signal, the perps need to be fairly close. Do you exercise situational awareness at all times? One thing missing from this discussion is the unlock codes. Ford and other brands use "rolling codes" for unlocking the doors ... the same code is not duplicated in the near term. To capture a rolling code, the perp must first capture the initial code sent by a fob, and then the fob user may automatically press the lock button a second and thrid time to hear the honk. If the first lock signal was captured, it is still an unused code which the perps can use to unlock the vehicle. Timing such captures must be planned with fairly good precision. I wouldn't worry much of such a situation when leaving Fido in the AC vehicle environment while you're in the store for a few minutes. The bigger concern is when perps can amplify the signals between vehicle and fob to open, start & leave with the vehicle ... like when your unprotected fob is sitting insde your house, apartment, motel room, etc.. I keep my fobs in Faraday pouches (RFID blockers) when I'm parked for the night. At work, outsiders cannot reach my fob via signal ... I work in a secure environment (build submarines & aircraft carriers for a living).
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From: GA
Your fob is still transmitting a signal when you push the button or it wouldn't allow you to push the button because the vehicle and fob exchange data to determine the fob is outside the vehicle.
It is also transmitting to determine how close it is to the vehicle for you to unlock it with out a button.
It is also transmitting to determine how close it is to the vehicle for you to unlock it with out a button.
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From: Tomball, Tx
ok so good point and this leads me to another question. Sometimes on hot days in Florida with my dog in the truck and a short run in and out of the store, if I try to leave the truck running and I exit the truck, and lock it on the outside key pad, the truck will honk.
I’m guess it’s telling me you are leaving with the key fob. So do I assume that honk coincides with a radio signal searching for the key fob? If not, then good.
if so, then what are my options to leave the truck locked, still running with security on without creating a signal? Is there something simpler then leaving the truck running and exit with the key fob in a faraday bag and then lock with the outside key pad ?
the dbl honk is a reminder that the key is not in the truck....just lock the truck w/ the keypad or remote (I doubt anyone will try to steal your truck w/ dog inside).
If you use the remote start to keep the truck running w/ the dog inside youll be limited to the run time (a timer prevents extended run times on remote start)....AND imo the Air Conditioner is less effective (doesnt blow as hard). The truck cant be driven off w/out the proximity key - the transmission cant be put in gear if the key isnt "present".
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you are correct regarding the double-horn honk warning (that can be disabled via free ForScan software & a laptop)
the dbl honk is a reminder that the key is not in the truck....just lock the truck w/ the keypad or remote (I doubt anyone will try to steal your truck w/ dog inside).
If you use the remote start to keep the truck running w/ the dog inside youll be limited to the run time (a timer prevents extended run times on remote start)....AND imo the Air Conditioner is less effective (doesnt blow as hard). The truck cant be driven off w/out the proximity key - the transmission cant be put in gear if the key isnt "present".
the dbl honk is a reminder that the key is not in the truck....just lock the truck w/ the keypad or remote (I doubt anyone will try to steal your truck w/ dog inside).
If you use the remote start to keep the truck running w/ the dog inside youll be limited to the run time (a timer prevents extended run times on remote start)....AND imo the Air Conditioner is less effective (doesnt blow as hard). The truck cant be driven off w/out the proximity key - the transmission cant be put in gear if the key isnt "present".
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From: SEVA
I believe bushpilot is referring to what can & cannot happen when remote started.
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drove around the block, could keep on trucking as long as i didn't shut it off? I there a way to prevent that?
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From: Weatherford Texas.
Can be done, but not without transmitting a signal. Shut off the truck, exit, and then immediately remote start the truck. The act of remote starting locks the doors, and It will run for 15 minutes with the AC running. Look, to "capture" a signal, the perps need to be fairly close. Do you exercise situational awareness at all times? One thing missing from this discussion is the unlock codes. Ford and other brands use "rolling codes" for unlocking the doors ... the same code is not duplicated in the near term. To capture a rolling code, the perp must first capture the initial code sent by a fob, and then the fob user may automatically press the lock button a second and thrid time to hear the honk. If the first lock signal was captured, it is still an unused code which the perps can use to unlock the vehicle. Timing such captures must be planned with fairly good precision. I wouldn't worry much of such a situation when leaving Fido in the AC vehicle environment while you're in the store for a few minutes. The bigger concern is when perps can amplify the signals between vehicle and fob to open, start & leave with the vehicle ... like when your unprotected fob is sitting insde your house, apartment, motel room, etc.. I keep my fobs in Faraday pouches (RFID blockers) when I'm parked for the night. At work, outsiders cannot reach my fob via signal ... I work in a secure environment (build submarines & aircraft carriers for a living).
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From: Tomball, Tx
if the truck is remote started - and does not detect the the key/fob 1) you wont be able to turn the truck on / push button
if the truck is left running - and you exit the truck w/ the key - the truck will not go into gear w/out the presence of the key/fob (in fact you'll get a dash warning "no key detected")
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From: Tomball, Tx
are you sure your client wasn't standing too close (and the key was detected)?
