Getting my second batch of parts ready for order tomorrow after I put my two checks in the bank tomorrow during lunch.

I was looking at the long block photos and I swear it looks like it has a true double roller cam already and it looks like the cam sprocket has a offset raised pad for use with a fuel pump eccentric. Wouldn't know why that would be on a '96 reman unless they used like one of the timing sets I used which is said to work with any ford 302 up to 01.

None the less it has my wary of spending $40 for the Comp Magnum Double roller when this engine looks like it might come with it already.

Like wise I am a bit wary of buying the Edelbrock 2121 performer manifold as it says Performer 289 on it. The other one that is the Performer 302 is the 3721 part number but this one has the boss in the intake runner located under the throttle bracket mount which makes it use less. The 2121 Performer 289 has two mounts one of which is on the passenger side which I am hopeful the oem vacuum tree will thread into it so I can maintain oem vacuum hook up vs trying to tee in on the carb. What has my wary on this is two fold, one is if there is any physical difference that will effect flow between the Performer 289 and the Performer 302 and the other is if the oem vacuum tree will thread into this port.

But I am looking at doing a $500 order so I could do the Summit carb for $290 and the Headers for $273. Or just go with the 2121 manifold that would put me more at $500 since its $217 for the manifold.

 

The 3721 performer 302 is an emissions manifold with EGR provisions and other emission ports. The 2121 performer 289 does not have EGR or the additional emission ports otherwise they are the same.

 

Looks like the Performer 302 has the rear coolant crossover, with two ports in it on the LH side, and one vacuum port just behind the throttle bracket.

I have the Performer 289 on my 302, and it does not have the rear coolant crossover. It has two vacuum ports in the rear, both 3/8" NPT, and I plugged both of them.

So...I guess if one was running any thermal vacuum valves, you'd want to run the Performer 302? I was not, so the Performer 289 did the trick for me.

 

Ya i was thinking in terms of performance they would be the same. There may be a difference once you get near their limit but otherwise they are same. And yes the extra cooling ports are for addtional vacuum valves in an emissions application. Where did you pull your manifold vacuum from for the Brake booster ?

 

I'm sure the two intake manifolds are the same in terms of intake flow....and even if there was a difference, it doubt it would be anything that would show up on a mild street 302.

My Holley 4160 has a 3/8" vacuum barb at the base pointing directly at the firewall, specifically for the brake booster line. It seems to work fine plumbed in there. I had no use for the vacuum ports in the intake. I'm using the ported vacuum on the carb for my vacuum advance, and there is a 45* 3/8" barb at the front of the carb for the PCV. Otherwise, no other vacuum required on my truck.

 

Nice ! . I had no idea the carb had fittings for both the PCV and the booster. That cleans things up under hood for sure.

 

Thats good to know. I want to use my vacuum tree as it supplies vacuum for pcv, brake booster and the manifold on the firewall that also supplies vacuum to thetransmission modulator.

i will be gutting as much as i can but do want to maintain the oem aircleaner functionality.

but other emission things like temp based vacuum advance i want to eliminate to clean the engine up some.

my biggeat issue was id be afraid with a 96 explorer long block with factory gt40 heads and the explorer cam migh be hindered by the performer 289 especially with a 600 cfm. Thats why i was curious about it cause why call it performer 289 if it works the same on a 302.

should just call it performer.

 

The edelbrock performer 289 intake came out before the 302 was even being made. The 289 was essentially a non emissions motor it never had EGR ect. When Edelbrock started making an EGR intake for the small block fords in the late 70's they just called it a Performer 302. They are the same basic intake same port sizes etc. If anything the the performer 289 will have better flow than the Performer 302 but this would only be only be noticed at the very limit..

Furthermore the 289 made more max power from the factory than any carbed 302 short of the Boss 302 which uses Cleveland style heads and a much beefier block.. And is almost considered it's own one off engine family..

In the first few years of the 302 the 289 was a much more reliable and performance oriented engine than the 302 and the 302 had some issues initially, hurting it's image with the performance crowd. So the 302 was sort of seen as a more utilitarian less reliable engine compared to the more performance oriented shorter stroked 289. In the 70's and even in to the early 80's people would generally choose a 289 over a 302 if they were building a performance small block ford. It was only in the mid 1980's that the 302's image really started to change. So the performance oriented performer intake kept it's 289 moniker and emissions intake got the 302 designation. As the 289 designation alluded to performance and the 302 designation alluded to a more smogged down utilitarian type of motor.
The only difference between the 302 and the 289 is the 302 has a 0.13" longer stroke.

 

I just went through all this with my rebuilt 302, and had it all dyno'd a couple months ago. Performer 289 intake, GT40 heads, Comp Cam, 600CFM Holley, etc. The only differences would be that my engine is flat tappet, and my cam a little more aggressive than a street cam. Whatever the limitations of my engine/set-up were, the Performer 289 intake wouldn't be one of them imho....certainly not with street use at least.

 

Good to hear. I got my checks in so I got $580 to play around with going to buy two of the bigger items off steam. Not sure if it will be carb and intake, or carb and headers, or intake and headers.

Ok went ahead and placed the order for the 2121 Performer 289 edelbrock manifold, and the 8500VS Summit 600 CFM carb. After tax came out to $547.70. Not bad considering the Edelbrock carb I originally was looking at with the annular boosters like this Summit carb would have set me back right at $850 not including all the adapters to make it work with ford linkages.

 

That is the advantage of the Holley and the Summit carbs they are built to a Ford . My duddy Dan who is die hard Chevy guy and prefers Holley's always complains that "Holleys are built to fit a Ford". On occasion he has to concede and use Ford bits to mount a Holley on Chev lol.

And good pick on the carb
I'm sure you will be happy with the Intake and carb let us know how it goes when you install it.

 

That's why I went this route. Its so much more money for the edelbrock which wasn't even a vacuum secondary. Then with the adapters to use a ford automatic transmission linkage it puts the throttle and kick down over the valve cover and requires the carb to be removed to remove the valve cover.

This one has it all built in all I had to buy was the kick down spring retainer kit which I don't see why I need it. My current kick down doesn't have a spring. My mercury doesn't have one either for the kick down it just lays there with the spring in the transmission.

I will be doing photos of my build and installation. I got most of the parts now. I just need to decide on a fuel line for the carb, the headman headers which I have to send out to get it ceramic coated, I also need to get the Comp Magnum double roller timing set, some longer ARP carb studs. Then from jegs I really want to get the Performance Products off road Y-pipe which I hope will fit considering its $240 for it. Then Waldron for their 75-89 Ford truck single exhaust cat back system. Waiting on them to hit me up on the muffler specs as I want to run a magnaflow muffler I found same specs just a 1/2" more over all length. The stock replacement muffler for these trucks are listed as 2 1/4" inlet and 2" outlet. If Waldron use the same size then I have to decide what to do as the Magnaflow muffler only comes in 2" or 2 1/4" not a dual size setup. Buddy at work told me take the tail pipe to a exhaust shop and they can open it up from 2" to 2 1/4" if I use 2 1/4" magnaflow or go with a 2" magnaflow and take the muffler in and have them open it up to 2 to 2 1/4".

Im also looking at investing $350 in a gas analyzer so I can thread into the O2 port on the header and do my carb tuning that way. I did some reading about the ease of tuning a carb and jetting it by using a gas analyzer. Think it was saying shoot for 13.0 ratio across the board for street use with a carb.

 

You've got some nice stuff on the way, I think you'll be pleased with how it all turns out. I'll be following along.

Although it wasn't my original plan, I ended up going with Magnaflows. I have full 2 1/4" duals from the shorty headers back, with an H-Pipe in front of the mufflers, and the tail pipes exiting left and right on an angle. I had no previous experience with Magnaflow, but the truck sounds really nice. It has a nice rumble, but is still mellow. I have a set of these guys below, mounted vertically, side by side.

https://www.summitracing.com/int/par...1235/overview/

In the beginning, I had my heart set of chambered mufflers (Flowmasters), but there was just too much resonance in the cab for me, and they were too loud. I'm really happy with the Magnaflows and have been getting lots of compliments on the sound.

The gas analyzer will be nice as well. I had an O2 bung installed on my right hand pipe for the same reason. I had mine dyno tuned, so I was OK with running it as it is, but I still do want to check it out later. My plugs look really nice. I think he set it right around 13.0 ratio as well.

 

Thanks. I figure truck has been sitting for 6 months now I might as well do it the way I want to do vs cheaping out. The only thing I am thinking about cheaping out on right now is the 1.7:1 roller rockers. I can always add those at a later date and it would save me $300.

Nice on the muffler. This is the one I am looking at.

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mpe-13744

Its the same as the factory style round muffler. I will have to when I get some time check out my parts and illustration guide and look up the OEM hangers as I want to use OEM hangers if possible. I thought of running duals but that would require me spending more money and having an exhaust shop install it the way I was wanting which was a two in and two out muffler to act as a kind of balance pipe. This way I just spend $270 from Waldron for their single exhaust cat back kit, another $240 from Jegs for their Off Road Y pipe, then another $98 for the Magnaflow muffler and I can do all the work myself. Probably a bit more than I would spend at an exhaust shop but I seen how local exhaust shops do their work they just spot weld on cheap cheesy brackets where ever. Plus they wouldn't use those exhaust band clamps I want to use to ensure a nice leak free seal.

I have to get a plug for mine as the headers come with a o2 bung already installed on the passenger side. Could install a A/F meter on the dash but I don't care for that. Figure I will put some copper antiseize on it so I can remove it if I need to do tuning but once I set up the jet sizing I shouldn't need to use a gas analyzer to make adjustments.

I just hope I don't have any issues truck been sitting so long I hope I can get it started up without the balancer on and get it to run long enough to pull it into the drive way where I can use my hoist to pull the engine out. Also need a place for the truck to sit for a few days as the valve covers, intake manifold, oil pan will be taken to this powder coater I know to have it powder coated. That's yet another thing I need to get is the ford corporate blue powder that is color matched to paint.

Ford Dark Blue TGIC

Shame I don't have anything to cook the parts myself I could just clean it up and do it myself and have the motor swap done in a few days.

This is a Magnaflow XL 3 Chamber muffler on this '66 Mustang which the guy says is stock so its a stock 289. I didn't want anything too aggressive wanted something that sounded good but also sounded like it was stock.

 

Got the carb and intake in today. Was saddened that the Made in USA emblem was already attached. Last edelbrock I saw someone buy it had the emblem loose. So now I have to try and pull it off so I can have the manifold powder coated then try epoxying it back on.