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Old May 14, 2018 | 03:45 PM
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Electrical wizards? Dash resistor question

I’m using harness(es) from ‘95 for my ‘52 F3.

Stripped away stuff I don’t need, but will be using aftermarket gauges. Wondering what function the resistor has for the “charge” indicator? Is it important for proper function or just built-in to the instrument circuit board? In other words I was planning to just use a small 12v bulb for this purpose, having found the correct wires feeding the instrument panel.


Or, must I clip this resistor out and solder in my bulb circuit?
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Old May 14, 2018 | 04:41 PM
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The resistor is there to provide a current path for when the bulb may be burned out.It's a simple shunt resistor around the bulb. If the resistor was not there, or open itself, there is no path for the exciter voltage to turn on the alternator in the event the bulb is open.
 
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thanks... i wondered about that (if it had something to do with bulb burn out workaround). good to know!

assume the same is true then for the CEL and brake indicator?

so should i try to clip and solder, or not worry about it too much knowing that the (new) bulbs will likely outlast the truck?
 
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Old May 14, 2018 | 04:48 PM
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what exactly triggers the brake light btw?
is it just in case emergency brake is left on?
 
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Old May 14, 2018 | 06:16 PM
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Actually just realized these are 12v LED indicators, so shouldn’t have “burn out” issues. So can I skip the inline resistors?


 
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Old May 14, 2018 | 06:27 PM
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LEDs pass very little current compared to the incandescent bulb you're replacing. I'd keep the resistor.
 
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LEDs pass very little current compared to the incandescent bulb you're replacing. I'd keep the resistor.
X2 The LED will not put enough resistance/load on the circuit, so it will not charge without the resistor... Like he said "keep it"
 
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Originally Posted by GoldCo
assume the same is true then for the CEL and brake indicator?
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so should i try to clip and solder, or not worry about it too much knowing that the (new) bulbs will likely outlast the truck?
As stated by the other responses I would keep the resistor in the circuit.
 
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Old May 15, 2018 | 07:25 AM
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what exactly triggers the brake light btw?
is it just in case emergency brake is left on?
Parking brake position switch, low brake fluid level, bulb prove out when cycling the key from Off to Run. On a diesel I believe there is a low vacuum switch that will trigger a yellow brake light as well.
 
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So the 'charge' light is not just an indicator that something is wrong (as triggered elsewhere in the system), but rather is part of the triggering system itself?

But the CEL and brake lights are just indicators and would not need the resistors (other than in the case of a burnt out bulb)?

As for the brake light, if the above statement is true, can I get by without it (or does the ECM need to see the circuit in that bulb prove out you mention)? As stated, this is all for a '52, with either aftermarket or junkyard parts, so I won't have a parking brake position switch or any kind of fluid level sensor.

Thanks for the insight.
 
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So the 'charge' light is not just an indicator that something is wrong (as triggered elsewhere in the system), but rather is part of the triggering system itself?
You are correct


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But the CEL and brake lights are just indicators and would not need the resistors (other than in the case of a burnt out bulb)?
You are correct


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As for the brake light, if the above statement is true, can I get by without it (or does the ECM need to see the circuit in that bulb prove out you mention)? As stated, this is all for a '52, with either aftermarket or junkyard parts, so I won't have a parking brake position switch or any kind of fluid level sensor.
The ECM (computer) is not concerned about that circuit. The prove out function is only momentary for the operator to view the indicator bulbs. So if there is no bulb in place, no errors or codes will be flagged.
 
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