Injector contribution code #3 buzz test fail on #7
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Injector contribution code #3 buzz test fail on #7
Drove my 6.0 to town the other day and it started idling rough. Seems to be ok on a trip earlier that day and seem to start idling rough out of nowhere. Anyway I scanned it with TorquePro and it reported cylinder #3. Today I fired up FORScan, did a scan it it's showing cylinder #3 contribution code. I ran a buzz test and #7 seems to be sticking. See video. Seems fine when warm. I might as well replace both injectors while I am at it.
Cold Buzz
Warm Buzz
Watched some videos by SrMasterTech and DieselTechRon. Any suggestion on tools to get the oil rail bolts out up against the heater box? Also an good links for bore cup brushes? Be the first time doing this on a 6.0 so any tips and tricks would be appreciated.
Cold Buzz
Warm Buzz
Watched some videos by SrMasterTech and DieselTechRon. Any suggestion on tools to get the oil rail bolts out up against the heater box? Also an good links for bore cup brushes? Be the first time doing this on a 6.0 so any tips and tricks would be appreciated.
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The solenoid in #3 might be fine, but a problem down in the body of the injector could be causing the FICM to back off and compensate for it; if you didn't replace #7 at the same time, once you get #3 changed out the compensation programming changes and you start popping a contribution code on #7 over a bad solenoid.
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Thanks. Puts me a bit more at easy. I'll for sure do both injectors. Looks like RiffRaff Diesel has the best prices currently for Ford Remans. Any other parts to pick up while I'm there? Stand pipes and dummy plugs?
Motorcraft Injector 6.0L 03-07 - Riffraff Diesel Performance
Motorcraft Injector 6.0L 03-07 - Riffraff Diesel Performance
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XPD has the best price on injector bore brushes. Diesel10 discount.
https://www.xtremediesel.com/alliant...ctor-brush-kit
https://www.xtremediesel.com/alliant...ctor-brush-kit
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Thanks. Puts me a bit more at easy. I'll for sure do both injectors. Looks like RiffRaff Diesel has the best prices currently for Ford Remans. Any other parts to pick up while I'm there? Stand pipes and dummy plugs?
Motorcraft Injector 6.0L 03-07 - Riffraff Diesel Performance
Motorcraft Injector 6.0L 03-07 - Riffraff Diesel Performance
If so, they are fine to reuse........if not, it's not horribly expensive to get new. Newer ones have the extra back up ring for the o ring.
Now is a good time to replace the nipple cup o rings if they move around easily.
HHC makes a good set of o rings with the socket to remove the nipple cups
Absolutely buy the brush cup set Jack linked, you want those injector bores clean enough to eat out of.
I would double check those prices.....ficmrepair.com looks to be cheaper on the sticks, and IIRC you might need to check the build date on the truck.
That said I think most techs say to just use the later build version, they are less trouble prone.
Maybe someone else will chime in. I do know the glow plugs are different, not that is matters in this case.
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XPD has the best price on injector bore brushes. Diesel10 discount.
https://www.xtremediesel.com/alliant...ctor-brush-kit
https://www.xtremediesel.com/alliant...ctor-brush-kit
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Dummies and/or SP's been done recently that you know of?
If so, they are fine to reuse........if not, it's not horribly expensive to get new. Newer ones have the extra back up ring for the o ring.
Now is a good time to replace the nipple cup o rings if they move around easily.
HHC makes a good set of o rings with the socket to remove the nipple cups
Absolutely buy the brush cup set Jack linked, you want those injector bores clean enough to eat out of.
I would double check those prices.....ficmrepair.com looks to be cheaper on the sticks, and IIRC you might need to check the build date on the truck.
That said I think most techs say to just use the later build version, they are less trouble prone.
Maybe someone else will chime in. I do know the glow plugs are different, not that is matters in this case.
If so, they are fine to reuse........if not, it's not horribly expensive to get new. Newer ones have the extra back up ring for the o ring.
Now is a good time to replace the nipple cup o rings if they move around easily.
HHC makes a good set of o rings with the socket to remove the nipple cups
Absolutely buy the brush cup set Jack linked, you want those injector bores clean enough to eat out of.
I would double check those prices.....ficmrepair.com looks to be cheaper on the sticks, and IIRC you might need to check the build date on the truck.
That said I think most techs say to just use the later build version, they are less trouble prone.
Maybe someone else will chime in. I do know the glow plugs are different, not that is matters in this case.
Customer Comments
CHECK VEHICLE MISSING SHUTTING OFF NO ENGINE LIGHT ON NO RHYME OR REASON WHEN PROBLEM OCCURRS SOMETIMES CLEARS UP AND THEN ACTS UP AGAIN
Tech Comments
77953 CHECKED FOR VEHICLE MISSING STALLING.STARTED ON LOT AND VEHICLE STALLED,RESTARTED AND ENGINE RAN ROUGH.PERFORMED PERFORMANCE DIAGNOSTICS 1)VISUAL PASS 2)SUFFICIENT CLEAN FUEL PASS 3)OIL LEVEL PASS 4)KOEO P0261,P0264,P0267,P0270,P0273,P0276,P0279 5)CMDTCS P0275,P0284 6A)KOEO INJECTOR ELECTRICAL P0261,P0264,P0267,P0270,P0273,P0276,P0279.CHECKED OASIS,FOUND TSB 09 22 16
Details
9062260
E72
55
1.8
AVALON FORD SALES 1996 LIMITED
48437
30-MAR-10
*
9G282
*
431077D
Customer Comments
CHECK VEHICLE MISSING SHUTTING OFF
Tech Comments
77953 CONTINUED FROM LINE A 7)INTAKE RESTRICTION 8 2 25 SPEC EGR TEST PASS EXHAUST RESTRICTION 21PSI(35 MAX) 10)FUEL DELIVERY SYSTEM 26PSI(45 73 SPEC),MODULE PRESSURE 42PSI,RESTRICTED SECONDARY FUEL FILTER 6PSI INLET RESTRICTION 3 CHECK WITH SERVICE ADVISER,FUEL FILTERS WERE REPLACED YESTERDAY BY CUSTOMER FOR THIS CONCERN BUT DID NOT RESOLVE.WILL
Details
9085503
S07
55
4
AVALON FORD SALES 1996 LIMITED
48870
06-APR-10
*
9E527
*
431372A
Customer Comments
CHECK VEHICLE MISSING SHUTTING OFF SEE HISTORY NOT AS BAD AS PREVIOUS VISIT BUT STILL NOT RUNNING PROPERLY
Tech Comments
78650 #5 INJECTOR NON CONTRIBUTING CHECKED FOR MISS IN ENGINE AND SHUTTING OFF,PERFORMED PERFORMANCE DIAGNOSIS SHEET 1)VISUAL INSP OF FUEL ,OIL,COOLANT,HOSES,LEAKS,ELECTRICAL SYSTEM PASSED 2)SUFFICIENT CLEAN FUEL PASSED 3)CHECKED OIL LEVEL AND CONDITION PASSED 4)KOEO ON DEMAND SELF TEST PASSED 5)CONTINUOUS MEMORY DTCS P0275 6)KOEO INJECTOR ELECTRICAL SELF TEST PASSED
Details
9363723
E72
59
9.9
AVALON FORD SALES 1996 LIMITED
49947
10-AUG-10
4C3Z
9B246
F
438075A
Customer Comments
VEHICLE WONT START WHEN HOT,WILL WIND OVER BUT WONT CATCH
Tech Comments
80366 #3 INJECTOR HP OIL PUMP FITTING REGULATOR STARTED NORMAL ON LOT,WARMED UP ENGINE AND WAS NO START,PERFORMED HARD START NO START DIAGNOSIS SHEET 1)VISUAL INSP OF FUEL OIL,COOLANT,HOSES,LEAKS,AND ELECTRCIAL CHANGED OIL AND FILTER 2)CHECKED OIL LEVEL AND CONDITION PASSED 3)INTAKE RESTRICTION PASSED 4) SUFFICIENT CLEAN FUEL PASSED 5) FUEL DELIVERY SYSTEM 45 PSI FLOW AND 50 PSI MODULE PRESSURE
CHECK VEHICLE MISSING SHUTTING OFF NO ENGINE LIGHT ON NO RHYME OR REASON WHEN PROBLEM OCCURRS SOMETIMES CLEARS UP AND THEN ACTS UP AGAIN
Tech Comments
77953 CHECKED FOR VEHICLE MISSING STALLING.STARTED ON LOT AND VEHICLE STALLED,RESTARTED AND ENGINE RAN ROUGH.PERFORMED PERFORMANCE DIAGNOSTICS 1)VISUAL PASS 2)SUFFICIENT CLEAN FUEL PASS 3)OIL LEVEL PASS 4)KOEO P0261,P0264,P0267,P0270,P0273,P0276,P0279 5)CMDTCS P0275,P0284 6A)KOEO INJECTOR ELECTRICAL P0261,P0264,P0267,P0270,P0273,P0276,P0279.CHECKED OASIS,FOUND TSB 09 22 16
Details
9062260
E72
55
1.8
AVALON FORD SALES 1996 LIMITED
48437
30-MAR-10
*
9G282
*
431077D
Customer Comments
CHECK VEHICLE MISSING SHUTTING OFF
Tech Comments
77953 CONTINUED FROM LINE A 7)INTAKE RESTRICTION 8 2 25 SPEC EGR TEST PASS EXHAUST RESTRICTION 21PSI(35 MAX) 10)FUEL DELIVERY SYSTEM 26PSI(45 73 SPEC),MODULE PRESSURE 42PSI,RESTRICTED SECONDARY FUEL FILTER 6PSI INLET RESTRICTION 3 CHECK WITH SERVICE ADVISER,FUEL FILTERS WERE REPLACED YESTERDAY BY CUSTOMER FOR THIS CONCERN BUT DID NOT RESOLVE.WILL
Details
9085503
S07
55
4
AVALON FORD SALES 1996 LIMITED
48870
06-APR-10
*
9E527
*
431372A
Customer Comments
CHECK VEHICLE MISSING SHUTTING OFF SEE HISTORY NOT AS BAD AS PREVIOUS VISIT BUT STILL NOT RUNNING PROPERLY
Tech Comments
78650 #5 INJECTOR NON CONTRIBUTING CHECKED FOR MISS IN ENGINE AND SHUTTING OFF,PERFORMED PERFORMANCE DIAGNOSIS SHEET 1)VISUAL INSP OF FUEL ,OIL,COOLANT,HOSES,LEAKS,ELECTRICAL SYSTEM PASSED 2)SUFFICIENT CLEAN FUEL PASSED 3)CHECKED OIL LEVEL AND CONDITION PASSED 4)KOEO ON DEMAND SELF TEST PASSED 5)CONTINUOUS MEMORY DTCS P0275 6)KOEO INJECTOR ELECTRICAL SELF TEST PASSED
Details
9363723
E72
59
9.9
AVALON FORD SALES 1996 LIMITED
49947
10-AUG-10
4C3Z
9B246
F
438075A
Customer Comments
VEHICLE WONT START WHEN HOT,WILL WIND OVER BUT WONT CATCH
Tech Comments
80366 #3 INJECTOR HP OIL PUMP FITTING REGULATOR STARTED NORMAL ON LOT,WARMED UP ENGINE AND WAS NO START,PERFORMED HARD START NO START DIAGNOSIS SHEET 1)VISUAL INSP OF FUEL OIL,COOLANT,HOSES,LEAKS,AND ELECTRCIAL CHANGED OIL AND FILTER 2)CHECKED OIL LEVEL AND CONDITION PASSED 3)INTAKE RESTRICTION PASSED 4) SUFFICIENT CLEAN FUEL PASSED 5) FUEL DELIVERY SYSTEM 45 PSI FLOW AND 50 PSI MODULE PRESSURE
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That last line in the “Oasis” fuel pressure 45 psi flowing. That is on the very low end of acceptable fuel pressure. Might be the cause of dropping injectors. I would put the Blue Spring in and get that up to around 60 before i replaced injectors or lost anymore.
edit: went back above that and read 42 psi. You need Blue spring !!!! Badly.
edit: went back above that and read 42 psi. You need Blue spring !!!! Badly.
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From: NW IA
That last line in the “Oasis” fuel pressure 45 psi flowing. That is on the very low end of acceptable fuel pressure. Might be the cause of dropping injectors. I would put the Blue Spring in and get that up to around 60 before i replaced injectors or lost anymore.
edit: went back above that and read 42 psi. You need Blue spring !!!! Badly.
edit: went back above that and read 42 psi. You need Blue spring !!!! Badly.
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Logistics Pro
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From: Millersburg, OH
I'm getting a contribution code for #3 so that for sure needs replaced. #6 and #7 are only failing cold buzz test. Might as well do all three.
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That last line in the “Oasis” fuel pressure 45 psi flowing. That is on the very low end of acceptable fuel pressure. Might be the cause of dropping injectors. I would put the Blue Spring in and get that up to around 60 before i replaced injectors or lost anymore.
edit: went back above that and read 42 psi. You need Blue spring !!!! Badly.
edit: went back above that and read 42 psi. You need Blue spring !!!! Badly.