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Old Apr 18, 2018 | 12:11 PM
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Torque PID issue or performance issue??

So I'm having a little trouble using the most recent up to date PIDs for my 2000 Excursion 7.3. First off, trust me, i have gone through the formulas more than enough times to know that the formulas are exactly the same as the PID file Tugly has under his 2018 PID thread. I have attached a picture of my gauges after i took my tablet in the house so these are the last numbers it recorded. This is at idle, close to operating temp.

I believe some of my gauge readings are correct but I'm not 100%. I'm assuming the ICP, MAP and EBP but not sure. Boost is giving me 12 psi at idle, one of the intake temperatures is 43k degrees, one of the trans temps is 838 degrees.....i just would like to know if others are having these issues or should i start looking into things engine/drivetrain-wise??
 
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Originally Posted by mrjustice1324
So I'm having a little trouble using the most recent up to date PIDs for my 2000 Excursion 7.3. First off, trust me, i have gone through the formulas more than enough times to know that the formulas are exactly the same as the PID file Tugly has under his 2018 PID thread. I have attached a picture of my gauges after i took my tablet in the house so these are the last numbers it recorded. This is at idle, close to operating temp.

I believe some of my gauge readings are correct but I'm not 100%. I'm assuming the ICP, MAP and EBP but not sure. Boost is giving me 12 psi at idle, one of the intake temperatures is 43k degrees, one of the trans temps is 838 degrees.....i just would like to know if others are having these issues or should i start looking into things engine/drivetrain-wise??
I cannot see the pic (currently on a potato computer) but the numbers you mention are not accurate. Boost at idle should be around nothing point nada. My guess is you have selected the wrong PIDs to monitor. The names can be confusing.

I don't monitor frequently, or more than a few PIDs when I do, but for what it's worth I just use the stock PID formulas that come with Torque.
 
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I cannot see the pic (currently on a potato computer) but the numbers you mention are not accurate. Boost at idle should be around nothing point nada. My guess is you have selected the wrong PIDs to monitor. The names can be confusing.

I don't monitor frequently, or more than a few PIDs when I do, but for what it's worth I just use the stock PID formulas that come with Torque.
Yeah I didn't think the boost gauge was correct, i did use the stock PID formula for boost and it was giving me around -2 psi at idle and did not build over 10 psi when getting on the throttle.....but after taking a quick look around the turbo, i did realize that my wastegate solenoid is very loose - almost to the point i could probably pull it out with minimal force. I'm thinking i have a possible leak. Here are the readings i get since you cannot see the picture:

RPM: 682 rpms
Voltage: 13.9
Oil temp: 159 F
Trans 1: 159 F
Trans 2: 838 F
Trans 3: 151 F
HPOP: 768 PSI
InjPW: 3448 microseconds
IPR: 14.7%
MAP: 12.5 PSI
EBP: 15 PSI

These seem somewhat correct?
ICP: 468 PSI
 
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Originally Posted by mrjustice1324
First off, trust me, i have gone through the formulas more than enough times to know that the formulas are exactly the same as the PID file Tugly has under his 2018 PID thread....
My apologies if this is contradictory to your understanding of the situation, but I spotted a few things I had not mentioned in my thread:

I would cull out the "Trans Temp" and pick your one favorite "Trans Fl", based on confirmation with an IR thermometer. There is no TQC sensor, so that's gotta go... and FPDC translates to Fuel Pump Duty Cycle. Our fuel pumps are on or off, nothing in between - so that's useless. IAT2 is interesting, since there is no sensor for that.

MAP and Boost use exactly the same sensor, so one or the other ought to do it... but I wonder about your BARO sensor since the boost is reading just MAP.

The HPOP vs. ICP vs. IPR is weird in this case. HPOP is reading good for that IPR, but ICP is reading good for a warm idle. This may take some more investigation.
 
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