Not sure you are getting it here. Let me see if I can help. You are not being charged criminally so there is no "presumed innocence". Ford doesn't have to prove crap to you. They simply look at the out of condition specs and know it's been messed with, boom you warranty is gone for that system or systems related to your alteration. Oh, you don't agree? Oh, you're innocent until proven guilty are you? No, you are not. Your warranty is cancelled for those components and this is all legal until proven not legal.

You didn't do nuttin' you swear. Here's how you fix that, you go hire a lawyer. And, when you get about $20k into it and you haven't even been disposed yet, you start asking yourself, "what the F did I do?" Then, you get disposed and you have to choose, do I perjure myself and risk jail and fines, or do I cave and tell the truth which will result in filing a frivolous lawsuit in most states requiring you to pay all of Ford's expenses.

So, what are you gaining here? Ford doesn't have to prove anything to you and Ford doesn't go around cancelling warranties without a good reason. Once it is done, the only chance to reverse that is through adjudication. Costly and you'll probably lose. They'll show up with five attorneys all wearing the same black suit and you'll show up with a guy who looks very similar to Rick Moranis representing Bill Murray and Dan Aykroyd in the beginning of Ghostbuster 2. You'll get slaughtered.

Just sayin'

 

If you aren't tuned for it, an aftermarket intake is just a noise maker. It's just one piece of a much larger performance puzzle.

In the most simple of terms, more air means you need more fuel. More fuel means you need better timing. More timing means increased combustion and you need a better exhaust. If the turbo can't feed the air and fuel then you are limited there. If you cannot exhaust the gasses created by the increase in air, fuel, timing and turbo function, then you're just choking yourself. Think of it like this. Big mouth, bigger bites of food. If the esophageal tract is small, you have to take smaller bites and chew it more. Once it passes to your stomach, you have to have the ability to digest it and pass it down the line. If your azzhole is the size of a BB but you've eaten something that's the size of an acorn, it'll pass, but be painful and less efficient than if you just ate rice.

If the whole system isn't opened up, then there's little you can do with a bigger mouth. You can smack your chops, but the end result is simple. If you can't, or won't, completely chew it quicker, then you'll see corn in your turds.

The Stealth module connects to the fuel rail. It does little to help out the whole performance puzzle since it doesn't change the whole tuning solution. Yep. Some people are going to disagree with me. That's fine. But a simple intake WILL NOT change much and certainly won't change your pedal feel or turbo spool.

As far as the highly educated man saying Ford can PROVE a Stealth module was in place, I call bullcrap. Ford can litigate you into the ground, but they cannot "PROVE" you used an aftermarket module to change the conditions of the vehicle when the ECU programming hasn't been changed. Ford can SPECULATE, but prove? No. Do you have the ability and the lawyer to stay in the fight? THAT is the question. A lawyer suing on grounds of proprietary equipment has an easy time proving that. How Ford, and all other manufacturers, screw people is by making it a protracted process and unfortunately, too many people HAVE to have a working truck NOW. I happen to be one of those people who will damned sure buy a 20 year old Civic and drive the hell out of it to hit ANY manufacturer right in the shorts.

Simply put, neither Ford, nor anyone else, can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that an additional product caused a given failure if you've not reprogrammed the ECU. As I said, where they get you is by protracting the litigation process. I've done it and I know. Due to the NDA I had to sign to get rid of a prior Ford Vehicle and into my 2017 F250 PSD, I can't elaborate further. Yet the Ford engineer in this thread will call that convenient. I call it sticking to my guns and having other trucks by which to get stuff done.

If you are not, or simply aren't willing, to go through two years of litigation, leave your truck stock. If you delete EPA required equipment and change the tuning, you're screwed if it comes to court. Period. But an add-on after the ECU? Pure BS that Ford will win in court. The ECU determines the best course of action for a given situation and WILL change fueling and air inputs. It's that simple. Ford CAN NOT say with any level of certainty that their own programming didn't cause the issue.

 

^^^ this is not a criminal case... you do not have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt.. or using your terms "shadow of a doubt". This is a civil matter... which means 49% vs 51%. Is it more likely then not you messed with it.

I am not against modding.. my 6.0 was straight piped, tuned... my 6.7 was tuned for a bit but didn't like it and has been stock for a long time. I still run a trans tune and I dont "return to stock" when I bring it in.

Why lie? If you want to mess with the truck, be man enough to keep it tuned when you go in for service. Since they have to PROVE that it caused an issue... beyond a shadow of a doubt, then one shouldn't have to worry, right?

 

I like this idea. My two previous diesels were tuned and modified, but I don't feel like it's needed on the 2017 for power. I would like to have the shifting firmed up a bit though.
Who's tuning did you go with for the trans only tune?

 

I am running 5 star trans tune. Not sure on the 17+ but on the 15/16s, there is a bad 6th gear big when traveling around 40-45 and approach a hill. When you hit the hill around 35-37mpg, the truck lugs in 6th.. you have to stomp on it to downshift to what should be 4th gear. 5star trans is amazing.. it is what the truck should be like from the factory.

 

ROFLMMFAO! Ford has more money to take this to court than you will ever have. THAT is what my comments were based on. Period. Shadow of a doubt or reasonable doubt, are they not the same when it comes to big money Ford? Now, you're nitpicking. Good for you. Still won't matter when Ford Corporate comes after your ***. What I should have made clear is that after the warranty is over, I'll delete the hell out of my truck.

 

 

A stealth module isn't the same as deleting all the EPA **** and full on tuning.

So now, the moral police are coming out. I guess you've NEVER driven above the speed limit? Because your hypocrisy is REALLY showing.

 

yup but I gave up along time ago, waste of good internet, lot better things to look at or type about.....

 

 

And if Ford gets wind of someone using a Stealth Module that SERIOUSLY adds less HP and Tq than anything else I could do, I'd pay for my engine. But that just ISN'T going to happen. Most likely issue is a sensor goes out and Ford doesn't want to pay for it. A Stealth Module isn't going to blow an engine or a transmission, hero. LOL! However, Ford DOES look for ANY reason at ALL to not pay for **** THEY screwed up.

 

 

The Stealth Module can be easily removed prior to going into the stealership. I've had Ford TRY to screw me for every single penny when my vehicles were completely stock. Such as a "diagnostic fee" when the issue was obviously a bad cam timing sensor or, a damper magnet that flew off and the engine couldn't advance timing. NOT my issue or my fault. So running a Stealth Module that does little more than give better pedal input, a faster turbo spool and more fuel, yeah. Screw Ford. Had Ford always treated me with respect and honesty, I'd do the same.

 

 

I was in a truck yesterday (f-350 6.7) with a stealth module, it was set at middle setting. The engine OR turbo was making a chatter when he pulled out from a stop. It did not sound healthy. Anyone notice this different engine or turbo chatter with theirs?