Is "Four or Five on the tree" possible?
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Is "Four or Five on the tree" possible?
I know only one car with 5spd on the column. It was an Alfa Romeo that was made here under the name of FNM.
Here's a link with some pictures of it. It's in portuguese...
http://quatrorodas.abril.com.br/repo.../0103fnm.shtml
We also had a ****** car with 4spd on the column... Worked very well.
There's a link with pictures of the ****** here too:
http://quatrorodas.abril.com.br/repo...02willys.shtml
Best regards,
Lobo
Here's a link with some pictures of it. It's in portuguese...
http://quatrorodas.abril.com.br/repo.../0103fnm.shtml
We also had a ****** car with 4spd on the column... Worked very well.
There's a link with pictures of the ****** here too:
http://quatrorodas.abril.com.br/repo...02willys.shtml
Best regards,
Lobo
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Is "Four or Five on the tree" possible?
Why not put a OD tranny out of a 49-53 Ford car in the truck? You have to modify the rear mount and have a driveshaft altered, plus put the OD switch in, but that's better than hacking up a column or floor.
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Is "Four or Five on the tree" possible?
I know that reverse is usually a separate engagement with a side shift trans, but it really shouldn't be a separate shift. Imagine the scenario where you're trying to pull out of your driveway and have to back up fast, I wouldn't want a complicated reverse. I too am a big fan of column shift and wish I could buy a new vehicle with one. Cleans up the cab and the third person is usually pretty comfortable.
With the electric solenoid idea, why not have the thing completely electric. The shifter in the column would just be like a joystick with 6 positions, and have the entire thing solenoid actuated. A few interlocking relays, and the possibility of being stranded somewhere for no apparent reason because of some kind of failure....should be doable
With the electric solenoid idea, why not have the thing completely electric. The shifter in the column would just be like a joystick with 6 positions, and have the entire thing solenoid actuated. A few interlocking relays, and the possibility of being stranded somewhere for no apparent reason because of some kind of failure....should be doable
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Is "Four or Five on the tree" possible?
Tell you what, 2speed. I think you are close, but I'd suggest the way to go would be a combined electromechanical setup.
1. Remove the original shift linkage at the bottom of the column. Replace the shaft shift pin with a small diameter one.
2. Cut whatever pattern you want in a piece of 1/4" steel sheet. Make the shift runs a little bigger than the new shift pin size.
3. Bend the sheet into a 3" radius and mount it to the lower column so the new shift pin sits in your shuft runs.
4. Put momentary contact switches (cheap and ultra-reliable) on the steel plate at the end of each groove where you want a shift to happen.
5. Hook each momentary switch to an electric actuator on the transmission. The electric actuators do the shifting.
Only chance of being in two gears at once is if something breaks - same chances as with the stock shift. No limit on the number of gears. You can dream up any wild-a$$ shift pattern you want. Doesn't even have to be an H-pattern, you could set it up in a circle so each shift is a spoke. Ahhhhh, the possibilities for confusing the bejeebers out of a truck thief.
1. Remove the original shift linkage at the bottom of the column. Replace the shaft shift pin with a small diameter one.
2. Cut whatever pattern you want in a piece of 1/4" steel sheet. Make the shift runs a little bigger than the new shift pin size.
3. Bend the sheet into a 3" radius and mount it to the lower column so the new shift pin sits in your shuft runs.
4. Put momentary contact switches (cheap and ultra-reliable) on the steel plate at the end of each groove where you want a shift to happen.
5. Hook each momentary switch to an electric actuator on the transmission. The electric actuators do the shifting.
Only chance of being in two gears at once is if something breaks - same chances as with the stock shift. No limit on the number of gears. You can dream up any wild-a$$ shift pattern you want. Doesn't even have to be an H-pattern, you could set it up in a circle so each shift is a spoke. Ahhhhh, the possibilities for confusing the bejeebers out of a truck thief.
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Is "Four or Five on the tree" possible?
Barry, I may indeed go the route you suggested with the 49-53 with OD...I really do have a keen interest in keeping this as close to original feeling as possible. However, I have to admit I'm pretty intrigued by George and 2speed's ideas of some electromechanical gizmo. That would be something to be proud of if you could make it work reliably. I need some education on basic column shifter components, George, to really make complete sense of what you said, but I think I got the gist of it. I would worry about the case of power failure, though, specifically how to get it OUT of gear if you lost juice while a gear was engaged. 
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Is "Four or Five on the tree" possible?
Rob,
I think Ford actually made a very similiar column that was set up for a 4 speed. That would be the early 60's Falcon (Econoline) with the 4 spd dagenheim(sp?) tranny. Find one and swap it.
I even pondered what it would take to add a 3rd shift arm to my 59's column. You could cut the slot wider, and narrow the arms to fit a 3rd arm in place but that may not even work. Actually, column shifters don't work very well. Once you start driving yours you will 'learn' the 'best' way to avoid jammed linkage and trannies stuck in 2 gears at once and blocking intersections.
Just for entertainment, here's a remote shifted T98:
Figure that one out.
Adios,
Brett
I think Ford actually made a very similiar column that was set up for a 4 speed. That would be the early 60's Falcon (Econoline) with the 4 spd dagenheim(sp?) tranny. Find one and swap it.
I even pondered what it would take to add a 3rd shift arm to my 59's column. You could cut the slot wider, and narrow the arms to fit a 3rd arm in place but that may not even work. Actually, column shifters don't work very well. Once you start driving yours you will 'learn' the 'best' way to avoid jammed linkage and trannies stuck in 2 gears at once and blocking intersections.
Just for entertainment, here's a remote shifted T98:
Figure that one out.
Adios,
Brett
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Is "Four or Five on the tree" possible?
In our '69 Ford C-750 the 5 speed is remote shifted. It has a standard floor shifter in the cab but the shift linkage has gotten loose. I'll take a look tonight.
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Is "Four or Five on the tree" possible?
Years ago, we parted out a (63)Econoline and got its 4 speed on the column. It was weird to drive. Engine would be screaming then you would remember that you had a fourth gear. I was into vans for a long time and only ever saw 2 of these. We were going to transplant it into a 65 van but decided not to. The column, shifter rods, bellhousing, and transmission are setting in a pile in the garage.
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4 or 5 on the tree
I was browsing through the old posts, and ran across this thread. What came to mind for me was one of those two speed axles found on some of the heavier trucks. Don't know how that might work, but thought I'd throw it out there.
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