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Old Sep 18, 2011 | 09:09 AM
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Automatic column shifter question

Will a 3 speed column shifter work in an automatic shifter column? I am looking for a chrome column shifter for my automatic column but I can only find a chrome 3 speed shifter. Also, do they make any reproduction chrome shifters that will work in my automatic column?
 
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Old Sep 18, 2011 | 09:23 AM
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Keep looking. No idea on the 3 spd handle but mine is auto and chrome.
 
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Old Sep 18, 2011 | 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by williamwilliam
Will a 3 speed column shifter work in an automatic shifter column? I am looking for a chrome column shifter for my automatic column but I can only find a chrome 3 speed shifter.
M/T is a different shift lever than with an A/T.

Your 1968 A/T truck has a painted shift lever? This is the original (according to the 1964/72 catalog-See post #7):

DOTZ-7210-C .. A/T Shift Lever-Chrome / Obsolete / No Ford Dealer/obsolete parts vendor has any.

1967 MX C-O-M / 1967/71 C4 / 1972 C4 before serial number P60,001 / 1968/71 C6 / 1972 C6 before serial number P60,001.

No shift levers listed in Carpenter's 1967/79 repro parts catalog (2011 paper version).

This is the replacement: D3TZ-7210-C = See post # 7.
 
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Old Sep 18, 2011 | 10:23 AM
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Numberdummy, my truck originally came with a 3 speed and the shifter along with the turn signal lever was painted to match the column...........
Since then I have changed it over with an original 1968 automatic column and it too had the painted shifter and turn signal lever.......that truck came factory that way. I also have a friend who has an all original 69 Ranger with a 390 automatic and it came original with painted shifter and turn signal. Ive never seen an all original truck with a chrome automatic shifter in these trucks until 1970.........Bein g that the part number you gave is D0, that is a 1970 number right? Not saying that you may be wrong saying a 68 automatic should have came with a chrome shifter by no means, I know your reputation on here and you have helped me several times in the past, but now I want to find out so I will know for sure. Also, do you know if I can get a reproduction one anywhere? I heard the reproduction chrome shifters have a plastic piece on the end instead of being all metal, but I have yet to find one or see one.
 
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Old Sep 18, 2011 | 10:40 AM
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William, any updates to a part can carry a new part number. So if they created a shift lever in '97 that works in all trucks from '55-'79. It would carry F7 even though it fits older trucks. Usually any previous parts that fit into that group would be obsoleted. This way Ford could stock one part for multiple years. The newer number could possibly indicate up to date.
 
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Old Sep 18, 2011 | 10:57 AM
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I agree, but most of the time when you look up a part number, the current number will be given to you, but it will state the older number that it replaced as well.....Like I said, Ive never see a factory original truck come with a chrome shifter lever before 1970.

From what I have seen and read, 1970 was the first year Ford put chrome shift levers and turn indicator wands in F series trucks...across the board.


It's also the first year for chrome front bumpers across the board too in all models. Meaning, before 1970, some Ford trucks came with a painted front bumper where 1970 and above, they did not, all trucks had a chrome front bumper.
 
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Old Sep 18, 2011 | 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by williamwilliam
Numberdummy, my truck originally came with a 3 speed and the shifter along with the turn signal lever was painted to match the column...........
Since then I have changed it over with an original 1968 automatic column and it too had the painted shifter and turn signal lever.......that truck came factory that way. I also have a friend who has an all original 69 Ranger with a 390 automatic and it came original with painted shifter and turn signal. Ive never seen an all original truck with a chrome automatic shifter in these trucks until 1970.........Being that the part number you gave is D0, that is a 1970 number right?

Not saying that you may be wrong (DOTZ-7210-G: This is the part number listed in the 1964/72 catalog-printed May 1975) saying a 68 automatic should have came with a chrome shifter by no means, I know your reputation on here and you have helped me several times in the past, but now I want to find out so I will know for sure. Also, do you know if I can get a reproduction one anywhere? I heard the reproduction chrome shifters have a plastic piece on the end instead of being all metal, but I have yet to find one or see one.
Out in the garage, I have an older parts catalog...I looked in it, this is what I found for 1968 F100/350 C6:

C5TZ-7210-W .. Shift Lever-doesn't say what the finish is. This number is not listed in the 1964/72 Ford Truck Parts Catalog, nor is C9TZ-7210-F

My O-S-I (Obsolete-Supercede-Interchange) Parts Catalog says: C5TZ-7210-W was replaced by C9TZ-7210-F which was replaced by DOTZ-7210-G which was replaced by D3TZ-7210-C

D3TZ-7210-C is also chrome and fits 1973/77 F100/350's, and is the service part replacement for 1968/72 and prolly earlier since C5TZ is a 1965 part number prefix.

D3TZ-7210-C is obsolete, there is no replacing part number. Ford changed the columns in 1978, so the 1977 and earlier shift levers, shift collars, turn signal switches (and etc) will not work in them.

You want one a these D3TZ chrome levers? There are 11 available NOS / It's a lotta work looking this crap up, because Ford is in-famous for replacing 10's of 1000's of part numbers EVERY YEAR!

Usually, I look in the O-S-I catalogs to find older part numbers, but DOTZ-7210-G was listed under C5TZ-7210-W, so I missed it.
 
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Old Sep 18, 2011 | 11:29 AM
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The numbers C5TZ-7210-W thru C9TZ-7210-F that you listed was a primed shifter lever that had to be painted to match. The DOTZ-7210-G was all chrome which came out in 1970 and used thru 1972. The D3TZ-7210-C number is chrome with a black handle instead of being all chrome. As a matter of fact, Im not sure if a 1973 will be the same as a 1970-72 shifter??? It could be, but I do know that a 1978 is different, even has a different steering column collar.
 
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Old Sep 18, 2011 | 11:35 AM
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Also, I am looking through a NPD book and they list a chrome **** only, not the entire lever just the ****, and its for a 70-72 as well. If I could find the entire lever with the **** I would be interested......

Also, comparing the collar from a 67-72 with a 73-77, they look different. Im not sure they will work with a 72 and older.
 
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Old Sep 18, 2011 | 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by williamwilliam
The numbers C5TZ-7210-W thru C9TZ-7210-F that you listed was a primed shifter lever that had to be painted to match.

The DOTZ-7210-G was all chrome which came out in 1970 and used thru 1972 before serial number P60,001. From serial number P60,001: D3TZ-7210-C

The D3TZ-7210-C number is chrome with a black handle instead of being all chrome. As a matter of fact, Im not sure if a 1973 will be the same as a 1970-72 shifter??? It could be...

But I do know that a 1978 is different, even has a different steering column collar
I already said that.
Didn't you see what I typed in post # 7? Ford is in-famous for replacing 10's of 1000's of part numbers EVERY YEAR!

This was...and still is a royal PITA because one has to search thru older O-S-I catalogs to find the old numbers.

If you don't have these catalogs, you're SOL. Many dealers have thrown these older catalogs away, so finding any today...is also a royal PITA!

D3TZ-7210-C fits 1972 F100/350 from serial numnber P60,001, 1973/77 F100/350 and is the SERVICE PART REPLACEMENT shift lever for: C5TZ-7210-W - C9TZ-7210-F - DOTZ-7210-G.

If you want to argue with Ford Motor Co., be my guest.

Ford also replaced the 1965/72 A/T shift collar with the 1973/77 type. It fits, but looks and is different. 1965/72's have the pointer made as part of the collar.

The 1973/77 collar has a slot in it, into that slot fits a plastic shift pointer. This collar is still available from Ford and comes with the pointer.

You want a chrome ****? Carpenter has one listed for 1970/72: D3OZ-7213-A.

This part number is NOT listed in my 1964/72 truck parts catalog...because it replaced C9AZ-7213-A which is listed for 1970/72 (no before/from a certain serial number).

This **** was also used on 1969/79 Passenger Cars: Galaxie/LTD/Mercury Marquis/Lincoln/Mark/Fairlane/Torino/Montego/Maverick/Comet/Thunderbird/Granada/Monarch/Versailles.
 
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Old Sep 18, 2011 | 12:14 PM
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I understand what you are saying. What I am saying is that the D3 number has a black **** instead of the chrome **** that I am looking for. So if I was to get a D3 shifter it will not be the one I am looking for. Like I said earlier, not saying your wrong, but I know the differences between the two model shifters. It could be that Ford started making the D3 shifter in 1973 with the new model trucks simply by changing the chrome **** to a black ****, and the earlier shifters then became obselete. So if you get a D3 shifter, it may work, but it would not be the correct shifter that was in 70-72.
 
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Old Sep 18, 2011 | 12:18 PM
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You also know that Dennis Carpenter is sometimes misleading......hence the "choke ****" I got from him that was just a replica **** that had a hex screw on it and I would have to cut off the original **** and grind the cable part down to get it to fit right. LOL!

But in all, the **** he and other reproduction parts places have is just the ****, and I would need the entire lever and ****.
 
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Old Sep 18, 2011 | 12:39 PM
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Be aware that the shift lever ***** PRESS on....do not thread on/off. Installing the ***** is a b!tch!

I used to tell customers to soak the **** and lever in boiling hot water before attempting to press the new **** on.

Getting the old **** off is EZ, if you have a vice. Stick the **** in between the jaws and turn the handle till it cracks.
 
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Old Sep 18, 2011 | 02:19 PM
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Numberdummy, thats another thing......Id would feel more comfortable if I obtained an original chrome gear shift lever with the chrome **** already together. Thats my 1st goal, LOL! Then maybe go and look at the repo stuff if an original doesnt turn up for me somewhere. Even then I would have to find a chrome lever.
 
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Old Sep 18, 2011 | 02:23 PM
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I wonder if a chrome column shifter would work from say a Fairlane or another Ford vehicle around this era? That may give me a wider range to actually find one.
 
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