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You do know the '11-'16 Duramax and Powerstroke have the same fuel system right??? CP4.2 Only difference is GM stands behind warranty vs Ford that makes customers eat the 14k bill...
If you want to bash another manufacturer then bring a valid claim...
As for the warranty, if water in the fuel ruins the fuel pump...why, exactly, should a company be required to warranty the pump? Operating instructions are very clear that only diesel and no contaminants should be run through the fuel system. Knowing that sometimes fuel with a higher water content or other contaminants makes it into the fuel tank, manufacturers have actually included two fuel filters, a water separator, and a water-in-fuel warning system to help unwitting consumers.
If water or other contaminants make their way to the high pressure pump and ruin it, that is hardly the fault of the manufacturer. The product did not fail because of defect in manufacturing, materials, or workmanship (which is what the warranty covers) but rather because an improper fuel was run in it.
Nobody would be complaining that Ford refused to honor a warranty claim on a diesel engine that somebody pumped gasoline into...and the warranty claims on the high pressure pump are no different. We as consumers just feel "cheated" because it wasn't our fault. The quality of the fuel we pump is out of our hands. Nevertheless, it is not the manufacturer of the vehicle's responsibility either.
As for GM, if they warrantied pump failures due to water ingestion...that's wonderful! But like many other things, I suspect GM really is not very kind hearted on warranty and maybe one or two individual positive experiences have led the greater membership of this forum to believe GM stands behind their product while Ford does not. In reality, a few anecdotal cases do not constitute truth.
All of this diesel hating in a HD truck is laughable. If you want a less powerful, less desirable, less efficient, lower resale gasser then get it, they have their place, but most people in need of a HD truck need the power and torque the diesel provides.
Maintenance is subjective and part of the deal in regards to owning a diesel, but a shop charging $4K to look at a diesel isn't the norm and I'd tell that shop to take a hike.
You guys need to stop trying to scare people away from a diesel and throwing an older and inferior Duramax motor and it's issues into the pile has no relevance here in a Ford forum.
You do know the '11-'16 Duramax and Powerstroke have the same fuel system right??? CP4.2 Only difference is GM stands behind warranty vs Ford that makes customers eat the 14k bill...
If you want to bash another manufacturer then bring a valid claim...
I wasn't bashing any manufacturer. Read it again.
I only stated a broken diesel engine that I met today, FOR AN EXAMPLE, and the costs involved in fixing it. Being that the max has the same fuel system, makes it even more relative to the conversation.
If I did want to bash, I could say that I've seen MTU, Kohler, DDC, Volvo, John Deere, Fairbanks Morse, Waukesha, and Mitsubishi handle far worse diesel fuel and survive. For what we're paying for, maybe more corrosion resistant parts should be used.
In the case of the Volvo, it had so much water in the fuel that the fuel line feeding it, after the filters, split when the water froze, and one of the filters on the pressure side split as well.
All of this diesel hating in a HD truck is laughable. If you want a less powerful, less desirable, less efficient, lower resale gasser then get it, they have their place, but most people in need of a HD truck need the power and torque the diesel provides.
Maintenance is subjective and part of the deal in regards to owning a diesel, but a shop charging $4K to look at a diesel isn't the norm and I'd tell that shop to take a hike.
You guys need to stop trying to scare people away from a diesel and throwing an older and inferior Duramax motor and it's issues into the pile has no relevance here in a Ford forum.
" stop liking what I don't like."
You might want to check the resale value claim. Diesels don't pull a single dollar more up here. And 6.0's and 6.4's are nearly free.
All of this diesel hating in a HD truck is laughable. If you want a less powerful, less desirable, less efficient, lower resale gasser then get it, they have their place, but most people in need of a HD truck need the power and torque the diesel provides.
Maintenance is subjective and part of the deal in regards to owning a diesel, but a shop charging $4K to look at a diesel isn't the norm and I'd tell that shop to take a hike.
You guys need to stop trying to scare people away from a diesel and throwing an older and inferior Duramax motor and it's issues into the pile has no relevance here in a Ford forum.
Diesel people need to face the realities of a modern diesel pickup. Those repairs and dollar amounts are plausible. Ever go to a Ford dealer and see the diesel trucks with the cabs off or the entire grille / radiator / fan assembly removed for access? Those are not going to be cheap repairs.
Your comments are a bit insulting and not necessarily true. You really think most people who need an HD pickup need 440HP and 925lb-ft? Hardly. Is the power nice? Sure is.
Gas-powered HD trucks have better payload by a significant amount. Not everyone buys an HD truck to tow, and even if that's your plan the gas engine is not a slouch. Having owned both (I'm currently driving a 6.7L) there is no doubt the maintenance is cheaper on a gas. Maybe you've followed some hot topics on this forum recently...there have been a number of 6.7L trucks that have gelled up from the cold. We're talking about brand new trucks. Mine was one of them. Nothing like laying under your truck changing fuel filters on a truck with 2,000 miles on it. Meanwhile, the gas trucks all handled the cold just fine.
Because the option cost of the diesel has grown so large (it is the single most expensive option you can add by a long shot), many people reasonably need to consider if spending the extra money is worth it. Not everyone is flushed with cash, not everyone has thousands to spend if some major repair occurs. Some folks keep their trucks for 10 years or more and long-term reliability is very important to them.
Some people buy a gas truck because of financial reasons and some buy a gas truck because they literally just want a truck they can haul a one-ton pallet in or they have a a boat slightly too large for a half-ton. I guess what I'm getting at is people are not "stupid" just because they buy a gas truck. More than 50% of what is on the dealer lots up here in NH are gas 6.2L Super Duty trucks.
Diesel buyers are going to rationalize their purchase just as gasser buyers are going to do the same.....human nature. I bought a F250 for no other reason than the cost v a F150, similarly equipped was negligible. Simply using a $/pound calculation made it a no-brainer.... Yes, a diesel may have a higher resale, on average, but they cost significantly more up-front. +/- $9K is a lot of money for something I don't really need.....but to each his own.....
Diesel buyers are going to rationalize their purchase just as gasser buyers are going to do the same.....human nature. I bought a F250 for no other reason than the cost v a F150, similarly equipped was negligible. Simply using a $/pound calculation made it a no-brainer.... Yes, a diesel may have a higher resale, on average, but they cost significantly more up-front. +/- $9K is a lot of money for something I don't really need.....but to each his own.....
That's about where I was. All I need is an F150, but an F150 struggles a bit, and doesn't have a locker friendly front axle. I have no excuses to gamble with a diesel 350.
All of this diesel hating in a HD truck is laughable. If you want a less powerful, less desirable, less efficient, lower resale gasser then get it, they have their place, but most people in need of a HD truck need the power and torque the diesel provides.
Maintenance is subjective and part of the deal in regards to owning a diesel, but a shop charging $4K to look at a diesel isn't the norm and I'd tell that shop to take a hike.
You guys need to stop trying to scare people away from a diesel and throwing an older and inferior Duramax motor and it's issues into the pile has no relevance here in a Ford forum.
I would say your claim of “less desirable” is pretty subjective.
I desire not to be parked on the side of the road with a gelled up diesel.
"So what did you find wrong?"
"There's a bottle of Aquafina in the cup holder."
"Whut?"
"Where you drinking bottled water while driving?"
"Whut?"
"IP is bad, no warranty. That'll be $12,000. Ok, thanks. Buh by."
I don't know of any shop, dealer or not that can turn around a broken diesel in a couple days...it's weeks around here. Imagine not having your rig for a while...imagine if it's for your business?
I was actually considering the Fx4 logo, in red, added to my Wet Okole seat covers order.
But since everyone seems to be knocking it, I think I'll use the Ford Outfitters logo instead. In white though. Red would look better, but then it would have a red mountain, which would be a volcano. And driving up a live volcano sounds like a stupid idea.
Years ago, I had a spray-in liner on my F-350 done by a GM dealer in my area. As such, they retained my contact info. Today, I received an email from them entitled "Important Information for owners of Diesel-Powered GM vehicles."
With the recent extreme cold temperatures we have been seeing, some of our customers have been experiencing issues with their diesel power vehicles not starting or running poorly. After analyzing we have found the problem most often is with the fuel. Therefore we want to provide you with the following helpful information.
Fuel distributors blend #1 and #2 diesel fuels for seasonal requirements, in the late fall switching from a summer blend to a winter blend. We believe many fuel stations may not have the proper blend for the extreme extended cold weather conditions we are experiencing, and that can lead to fuel waxing and icing, and a vehicle no start condition. This is a problem with the fuel and not the vehicle.
Purchasing fuel from a high volume fuel retailer increases the chance that the fuel is fresh and of good quality. We recommend contacting your local filling station and verifying that they have a fresh supply of winter blend diesel fuel, and filling your tank before the next cold snap occurs tomorrow night, Friday, January 5.
You may desire to use a winter fuel additive to prevent fuel waxing or icing during extreme cold snaps. If a winter fuel additive is to be used, it must not contain any metal based additives, alcohol or other water emulsifiers that may compromise the water removal effectiveness of the fuel filtering system.
If the vehicle is driven in very cold temperatures and cannot get a winterized blend, use one gallon of kerosene for every 2 gallons of diesel fuel. Once you add kerosene, run the engine for several minutes to mix the fuels. Only add kerosene when the temperature falls below (0°F), because the fuel economy and lubricating qualities of kerosene is not as good as that of diesel fuel.
In cold weather, the fuel filter may become clogged (waxed). To unclog the filter, move the vehicle to a warm garage area and warm the filter to a temperature between (32–50°F).
If you do have trouble, don't hesitate to call us. We will do everything we can to help you our valued customers and we will get through this together. Thank you so much for your business and loyalty.
This is interesting insight on the types of additives GM recommends for their Duramax vehicles...seems pretty similar to our Fords.
Well I think they decided a real locker was easier to market, and as far as I know there isn't a way to have a differential be both LS and true locker. You have to choose one or the other.
I changed my Rancho schocks at 45,000 miles on my Ford F-250 and they were still working good. I put the adjustable ranchos back on and my buddy took my used Ranchos and put them on his Ford.
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Yes, a diesel may have a higher resale, on average, but they cost significantly more up-front. +/- $9K is a lot of money for something I don't really need.....but to each his own.....
