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Old Oct 31, 2017 | 12:53 PM
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Replacement Vacuum Advance

I'm hoping somebody can help me. I am looking for a replacement vacuum advance for the Autolite C8TF-12127-D distributor. Can anyone point me the right direction?

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C8TF12127D, advance code #329, part number D2PZ12370A.


Haven Ford

(620) 465-2252



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913.220.5746





xDennis Carpenter Ford

800-476-9653.

Part Number D2PZ12370A
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Description DIAPHRAGM ASSY.- DISTRIBUTOR VACUUM CONTROL
Phone(972) 937-2201
 
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Old Oct 31, 2017 | 05:21 PM
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@JEFFFAFA. Thank you sir.
 
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@JEFFFAFA. Thank you sir.
You're welcome. But no biggie. That's my gig.
 
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The correct one should be pretty close on adjustment but I always check the amount of advance with a timing light and handheld vacuum pump. I have the distributor specs in old Motors manuals. Sometimes they need a little tweaking and you can adjust the advance through the hole where the hose goes on. I think it takes either a 1/8" or 7/64" allen wrench IIRC.
 
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Originally Posted by willowbilly3
The correct one should be pretty close on adjustment but I always check the amount of advance with a timing light and handheld vacuum pump. I have the distributor specs in old Motors manuals. Sometimes they need a little tweaking and you can adjust the advance through the hole where the hose goes on. I think it takes either a 1/8" or 7/64" allen wrench IIRC.
Actually, I'm glad you brought this up Willow. Our oxygenated gas now-a-days is different than back in the days when Bumps were new. OP should experiment with adjusting the new advance for his particular engine and gasoline. I'm pretty sure you are correct with the 7/64". I'm not sure but I think clockwise gives more advance.
 
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Old Nov 2, 2017 | 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by willowbilly3

The correct one should be pretty close on adjustment but I always check the amount of advance with a timing light and handheld vacuum pump. I have the distributor specs in old Motors manuals. Sometimes they need a little tweaking and you can adjust the advance through the hole where the hose goes on. I think it takes either a 1/8" or 7/64" allen wrench IIRC.
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Actually, I'm glad you brought this up Willow. Our oxygenated gas now-a-days is different than back in the days when Bumps were new. OP should experiment with adjusting the new advance for his particular engine and gasoline. I'm pretty sure you are correct with the 7/64". I'm not sure but I think clockwise gives more advance.
The service replacement D2PZ 12370-A being discussed is actually an AUTOLITE/MOTORCRAFT (RED BOX) service replacement for the original issued service replacement part (most likely FORD P&A - BLUE BOX).

The third character P in the PN Prefix identifies as MOTORCRAFT and is issued to cover more applications than the original service replacement part and an instruction sheet is enclosed as how to go about proper calibration with the original Dist I.D. No.

You will notice the same thing with period service replacement carburetors, distributors, EGR valves, etc. It lessened inventory and cost.
 
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Old Nov 2, 2017 | 01:44 PM
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Do MOTORCRAFT replacement vacuum cans from '68 adjust with an allen wrench? The earlier units had shims to remove or replace. The aftermarket types often take a 3/32" (2.5mm) allen, pretty handy.
 
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Do MOTORCRAFT replacement vacuum cans from '68 adjust with an allen wrench? The earlier units had shims to remove or replace. The aftermarket types often take a 3/32" (2.5mm) allen, pretty handy.
Everyone that was shaped like this was adjustable with an allen wrench.




There used to be a gazillion Ford part numbers. They were factory adjusted per application. Ford used different colored small paint splotches on them for them to identify which ones they were.




The ones with a fitting on the front of them used shims.





 
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Right, but I thought the allen wrench adjustable type were aftermarket only. Didn't know Ford sold those.
 
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Yepper. I am assuming that's how Ford gave them their initial adjustment. I found out about it in 1977. I had bought a brand new Salesman's Demo 77 Mustang Mach 1. Had a 2.8L V6 and a 4 speed. Wasn't too bad since it didn't have quite as much emissions ka ka on it compared to V8's. But I, of course, wanted more. But keep the warranty. One of the mechanics at Whitman Ford I worked at told me about this allen wrench adjustment. I did it and it did help a bit.
 
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Originally Posted by JEFFFAFA
Actually, I'm glad you brought this up Willow. Our oxygenated gas now-a-days is different than back in the days when Bumps were new. OP should experiment with adjusting the new advance for his particular engine and gasoline. I'm pretty sure you are correct with the 7/64". I'm not sure but I think clockwise gives more advance.
Yes, exactly. I always remind people that the factory timing specs are just a starting point since they were calibrated for gasoline formulation a lot different than we have now.
 
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