I've been hearing fewer and fewer complaints about the 6.0 so more then likely the bugs as getting ironed out. The Dmax had it's problems at roll-out also but since then the Allison/Dmax combo has proven itself to be a very capable combination (very happy with mine - cept for the ugly front end). I think what made the Ford problem seem a little bigger then it actually was, was Fords reluctance to acknowledge a major problem - and it really really ****ed of some loyal Ford people - That's my take on it.

 

Where do you wanna meet ?

 

I agree. I've seen people here discussing the 'head' issue. But have yet to see any real proof of it.

Jeb isn't the Dmax/Alli combo slated for '05 in the Suburban? Thought I read that on the Chevy site.

 

No, sadly, it is not. That was the word for a while but they're saying 07 soonest now. Apparently the problem is the floorpan won't accept the allison and it'd cost to much to re-tool. They're sure loosing a lot of sales to the Excursion because of it, though. OTOH, I hear they're selling every dmax they can produce so maybe it's just not that big an issue for them.

 

My dmax was a first year motor, an 01. It was bullet proof and I followed the dmax forums at that time. There was no where even in the remote vicinity of the scope or breadth of problems the 6.0 is having. This is not being blown out of proportion at all. I'd argue the contrary, actually. Lots of folks would like to have you believe the problems weren't that big a deal or that they're all gone. But a casual look through the 6.0 forums today, 1.5 years into production, should indicate to anyone that ford is still having a lot of problems with this motor.

 

Maybe since theres obviously enough of a demand to put cummins motors in Ford trucks for to create a Company, then there would be enough demand for someone to start modding Suburbans to accept the dmax?
I'm betting it would be a fairly successful business.

 

So why do you still have one? If your problems with your 6.0 are that bad, then why do you still have it? Ford will buy back a vehicle that isn't up to standards, they proved this 500 times, and unless you have voided your warranty, then any problems that you have should be covered. If you think the other trucks are so far superior, then go get one.

Also, the problems with the 6.0 that Ford is having now is no more than the problems that the Cummins and the Duramax are having. Small problems with easy fixes (which all 3 motors have) are a far cry from the problems that the earliest 6.0 had.

 

You're putting words in my mouth. I never said those motors were superior. I merely said they didn't have all the reliability concerns that the new 6.0 has and my dmax was more fun to drive than my 6.0. And the reason I don't have one now, which you could probably surmise from the posts above, is that GM does not make a 'burb with the dmax. The Ex was set to go away after 04 (since reprieved, I know) so I jumped.

I am trying to get ford to buy mine back. I got the DSB application in the mail last night.

You can't be serious. Go compare the dmax forums with the 6.0 forums here at dieselstop. There are still a LOT of problems even in the 04 motors. And the fact that Ford is turning off pilot injection on ALL 6.0's is a huge indicator to me that they have not got a handle on this motor yet. Cummins and Dmax have it working.

I do not follow any cummins boards as the dodge trucks just hold no interest so I don't have a clue as to the problems that motor may be having.

 

i still have my pilot injection in my 01/03 build, yes i know i'm a minority. as you know from reading these threads, not all 6.0 's are created equall. imo, my truck runs so well, i would put it up against a new "600" cummins. this is through my 34,000 miles of running past the rest, loaded or not.

 

Just curious: I have heard several people say that Ford has romoved the pilot injection from the 6.0, but have not been able to find any credible source for that information. Can you tell me where you heard that?

 

emx,
You'd have to do some searching here or over on the dieselpage.com for some posts about it. Someone actually posted or linked to an official ford explanation of it.

Just to set the record straight, I know there are a lot of folks, hopefully the vast majority of them, that have very little to no problem with these motors and are understandably happy with them. I don't want to sound like they're all bad or that the other makers don't have problems with their motors, too. It's unfortunate that the 6.0 is tarnishing the image of ford's PSD motor line as the old 7.3 had/has such a great reputation for reliability. I'm fairly confident ford will get the motor sorted out eventually but I'm sure not happy about being a tester rather than a user.

 

jeb, I agree, people buying new trucks should not be guinea pigs for testing, it should have been done before it got to market.

 

I wonder if the testing they did do was with the IH version........without the PSD computer. I believe that could have been what happened.

 

i have the 7.3 and love it, but from a competition standpoint on the 6.0 what concerns me is that you can usually see the potential an engine has by looking at the medium duty version of the same engine, in this case the 6.0 international has a max tq rating of 620. Thats not too far off of where the PS needs to be to out do the new dodge. So if the PS is to top dodge by say putin out 610 to 620 ft lbs., then by looking ahead, Is it already close to maxed out?? In comparison, the medium duty Cummins is rated ( I dare to speculate because i cant remember correctly but,) I think in the mid 7's or maybe even up to 8 something. Plenty of potential nonetheless. I have no Idea about the Duramax, but it looks to me like the 6.0 even though generally a new engine didn't leave much room for improvement in the first place. I for one am in favor of the t466 in my future PSD anyway, but any thoughts

 

Posted by FordLariat;

jeb, I agree, people buying new trucks should not be guinea pigs for testing, it should have been done before it got to market.
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Well said.

Posted by MW95F250;

I wonder if the testing they did do was with the IH version........without the PSD computer. I believe that could have been what happened.
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I seriously doubt it. It's obvious to me that Ford did not have the extensive testing done on this motor before it was released that it should have had. But in any case, using the IH VT365 as a model for predicting 6.0PSD performance would be about as useful to Ford as using a Cummins, or even Duramax for that matter. The different programming and turbo practically turn the PSD into a whole different product IMO.
If using the IH VT365's performance, is what Ford considers testing - I'm not sure
I'd want to take a chance on ANY more Ford products. Inexcuseable is what I would call Ford's lack of enough R&D on this motor, but even I would not go so far as to believe they'ed simply test the VT365 as is, and deem that to be sufficient.

Posted by bigdieseldave;

i have the 7.3 and love it, but from a competition standpoint on the 6.0 what concerns me is that you can usually see the potential an engine has by looking at the medium duty version of the same engine, in this case the 6.0 international has a max tq rating of 620. Thats not too far off of where the PS needs to be to out do the new dodge. So if the PS is to top dodge by say putin out 610 to 620 ft lbs., then by looking ahead, Is it already close to maxed out?? In comparison, the medium duty Cummins is rated ( I dare to speculate because i cant remember correctly but,) I think in the mid 7's or maybe even up to 8 something. Plenty of potential nonetheless. I have no Idea about the Duramax, but it looks to me like the 6.0 even though generally a new engine didn't leave much room for improvement in the first place. I for one am in favor of the t466 in my future PSD anyway, but any thoughts
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You may well have a good point. Though to be honest, none of us will ever really need more than 500 FTLB for any kind of towing uses in these trucks. Both the 7.3L and HO505 Cummins will still fill the bill nicely. I have no doubts that the Cummins would win
the max torque war between these two motors, but that dosent mean crap in reality.
I think we're already in the neighborhood of diminishing returns with these engines.
Because of emissions AND POWER, fuel mileage is starting to go in to the crapper. The 6.0 by all accounts is averaging 11-13 around town, and maybe as much as 17-18 hwy. The Cummins 600 is'int doing much better. This is still considerably better than compareable gassers will do in these trucks under identical circumstances I guess, but it's not on par with older diesel mpg. That extra power has to come from extra fuel - at least to a degree, there's no way around it. 500 ftlbs will pull just as well as 600 will for all intents and purposes, and it will use alot less fuel doing it.

JMHO.