So why did they go through the hassle of upgrading it? The Mustang makes over 430 HP out of the same engine with just port injection, so why did those silly folks put forth the effort to redesign the heads and incorporate a whole new fuel system?

Just doesn't make sense! After all, it's intended as the second-rate engine. And we all know how the engineers work for the marketing department.

 

Ford doesn't even want the 5.0 to be the most powerful v8 offered in a half ton vs all the F150 competition let alone challenge the Ecoboost. I'm on board with all things EcoBoost and I might own one eventually but I do believe ( strictly from personal observation ) that 5.0 is merely Fords offering to their already loyal customers.

 

Hey. If you absolutely have to have the V8 rumble, by all means get that 5.0. If you want a stump-pulling monster you can boost it some way or other.

However, by the time it's all said and done, you will have invested 2-3 times as much as a 3.5L EcoBoost, and maybe have something a bit stronger, and/or more prone to breakage. Who knows?

For my money, the EcoBoost is a stump puller out of the box, and I like the quiet power.

 

Ford has put a lot of effort into a significant revamp, damn near a redesign, of the 5.0. I would think that it's here for the foreseeable future.

https://www.ford-trucks.com/articles...18-f-150-ford/

It has new heads, fuel delivery systems and a new block. The block now has coated cylinders and a solid aluminum block instead of a sleeved one. My guess is that Ford has been conservative in the tuning of the new 5.0. Without the sleeved block, there is now more room for a future bore increase should Ford decide to go that way.

I think the only reason the 3.3 NA is in the truck is to beta test it for the upcoming Ranger. That's just my opinion.

 

But again, these are just assumptions of yours, not declared fact. Not trying to be a jerk about it, but how in the world can you see in the minds of those who run product decisions? People were declaring the same line in '10 when the F150's version of the 5.0L was released 52 HP down from the Mustang 5.0L. Then for '15 it got a notable power increase, and it's actually laying down significantly more power than the top-line EcoBoost. Now, another redesign happens, and we're hearing the same tired line about what people assume to be the intentions of people they've never even met. If what you assert is true, why go through the hassle to do anything to the 5.0L since it's introduction in 2011? Why don't we still have a 360 HP 5.0L in the '18?

Probably should get back on topic I suppose, sorry for the derail, everyone. I'm intrigued by the power bump, and the torque increase for the 2.7L is going to make it a towing animal. I have a good friend who traded a 2.7L '15 for a 3.5L EB '17, and she's disappointed in the loss of fuel economy. She says it's fantastic with a trailer, but a noticeable loss in efficiency. I think the new '18 2.7L would be a great compromise between the two with increased capability with great fuel economy.

 

Pretty impressive lineup in my opinion.
Tom - I'm not so sure you can really call it a noticeable loss of efficiency in your friend's case. After all, she did gain one more liter of displacement and that is bound to consume more fuel for a given task than its smaller counterpart. More likely a noticeable loss of economy.

 

Probably suffers from what guys do, can't keep the boot out of the fun switch lol. I was kind of hoping the new 2.7L would be 375 and 400, but either way that's pretty impressive. Hope the mini PowerStroke makes as much torque as the Raptor EcoBoost at slightly lower hp. That would give the EcoD a run for it's money and give the sad excuse Cummins Titan a run as well. But it's just a pipe dream, probably won't be much more torque than the updated 3.5 EB for 2018.

 

I haven't hammered on the new truck to this point, but I can tell you that at half throttle it has impressed me.. I will keep things on the more sedate style of driving and no towing until I hit the 500 mile mark - then I should have a pretty good idea what the engine is capable of.
I would personally like to see Ford EcoBoost the 6.2 for the SuperDuty. That would put a dent in the Powerstroke sales - a subject for another forum I would guess.
But if they DID EB the 5.0, that would sell like hotcakes and fresh maple syrup on a cool morning..

 

I heard somewhere that the revamped 2018 5.0L is going to make it's peak 400lb/ft of torque at 2750RPM. Anyone know the validity of that claim? If so that's very impressive. I'm all for more power/torque with less RPM's.

 

Sure they could get more out if the 5.0, they could drop in the mustang config, but that mustang config is meant for spirited driving, not being a truck. Granted a majority of the people who own a truck don't use it as one or any where near their capability so it would be ok for them.

They configure the motor to do it's intended duty, which may not mean the most hp for trucks. Truck engines see a much higher duty cycle doing truck stuff like towing. People are also idiot's in general and beat the living snot out of things, because why shouldn't you pull a 10k trailer at 80mph+. So sure there is more power to be had, but will the engine cope with someone running wot up a hill with a huge trailer? You can get a lot more out of EB engines with a tuner, so why doesn't ford ship them on the bleeding edge of performance? They have to balance between people who use these things as a car and people who will run them at their limits daily and still be some what reliable.

The 5.0 is a hell of an engine as is for being one of the smaller displacement v8s available. Most of my friends drive Chevy, one has a v6, one has a 5.3 and one has a 6.2, all feel like dogs compared to the 5.0. The 6.2 felt like crap unless you stuck your foot in it!

 

if I claimed real insight I'd say the current v8 will be dumped in favor of a smaller one in the near future and the incremental gains they've given the 5.0 are only there as a result of finding ways to squeeze more power out of a smaller v8 which wouldn't hit the market until the new diesel option has been out at least a year...that's seeing into their minds I could be wrong

 

I think that 4.8L will be out by 2020 and probably as the hybrid engine for the F150.

 

Its not quiet anymore..... when you get on it anyway.

 

The 3.3L is sounding pretty impressive to me.

 

Would have liked to see more power from the v8 but my 16 pulls good so oh well. Would rather see the payload number get a bump though 2-300 would be nice