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Old Sep 6, 2016 | 08:04 PM
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'99 No crank/no start.

Hi guys!
I have a '99 F-150 with 4.6L V-8.
The truck has run perfectly since I bought it a year ago.
My grandson took it a short distance to a neighborhood store, and when he got back he parked on the neighbor's lawn.
IMMEDIATELY after turning it off, I told him to move it, and it would not start. Wouldn't even turn over.
I did a little research, and replaced the most likely culprit, the starter....no change in condition. When keyed to start, the dash lights up, but that's it! I did get under the truck and there IS voltage getting to the large power lead.
The starter has it's own solenoid, however there is another one mounted to the firewall. Does this have anything to do with the starter?
Any advice will of course be GREATLY appreciated!
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Old Sep 6, 2016 | 08:30 PM
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Does this have anything to do with the starter?
Yes, it has much to do with it. The starter relay on the firewall supplies the power to operate the solenoid mounted on the starter motor.

Did you check and see if the relay is operating?
 
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Old Sep 6, 2016 | 09:37 PM
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Thanks 89!
No, I hadn't gotten into that yet....I was waiting for the exact info you provided!!
I did go so far as to buy a multimeter, so I'm prepared to do more investigating.
THANKS AGAIN!
 
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Old Sep 7, 2016 | 07:58 PM
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No crank/no start.....

Hi again!

Thought I had the solution to my problem, when I went out and jumped the firewall mounted solenoid and the truck roared to life..........but it wasn't to be!

I replaced the solenoid, but now I have to jump the NEW one to start the truck!

More ideas?

Thanks again!!

Swa
 
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Old Sep 7, 2016 | 10:57 PM
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Well, did you get it out of the neighbor's yard?
 
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Old Sep 8, 2016 | 01:02 AM
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LOL!.......YUP!
 
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Old Sep 8, 2016 | 06:17 AM
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Jumping the relay only demonstrated that it wasn't operating, not that it was defective. There's a profound difference.

Did you check the circuit that is supposed to cause the relay to operate?

The starter circuit in this truck is what I call "stupid simple".

Ignition switch > Fuse F21 > Clutch Jumper (if Auto) > DTR switch > starter relay.

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Ignition switch > Fuse F21 > Clutch interlock (if manual) > starter relay.

Assuming an auto: Check fuse F21 under the dash. If good, use your meter on both fuse test points and measure voltage when the key is in START. If no input voltage, go back to the ignition switch and its power feed. If input and output voltage at the fuse is good, go check at the DTR switch. Continue with your testing direction based on continued half-splitting the circuit until the open is isolated.

If there has been recent exhaust or transmission work done, look for wiring harness damage in those areas causing F21 to blow.
 
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Old Sep 8, 2016 | 12:15 PM
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Well, I jumped the solenoid this morning and went to the waste transfer station about a mile up the road. After unloading, I realized that I had inadvertently shut the truck off.
For the heck of it, I tried to start it with the key, and VAROOM!
Tried it a few more times and I think it's fixed.
I'm guessing that when I worked on the starter and solenoid, I took the battery to just below what the starter called for and the run up the road brought it back to the level needed to turn the truck over.
Not sure, but it works now.
THANKS to all who contributed to solving my dilemma!
 
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or possibly rusted contacts or loose wire ..... Driving down the road and bouncing a few things around may have done it.......... hope it stays that way....... keep your jumper wire handy !
 
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if it happens again, pull the transmission lever in and out of gear and bump it a few times....transmission switch may be sticky.
 
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