Thanks for the info. I've got a 9500 lb fifth wheel, and I typically camp within 100 miles of home, and total, I drive ~8k miles/year. I do want to travel more in the next few years, but just don't know if the diesel will be worth it for me. Fuel economy with a gasser likely won't be worse than my 6.4L...

 

With your current setup and usage, I do not think the diesel would be worth it. It is certainly nice, very powerful, and more efficient, but you can buy an awful lot of gas for $7908...plus, I really like $37 dollar oil changes at the dealer, no worries.

By the way, thanks for all your help answering ordering questions I've had in the last few days. It really helped me to put together an options / price spreadsheet of my own. Basically, I had Fully Loaded Lariat Ultimate Diesel, Fully Loaded Lariat Ultimate Gas, Fully Loaded XLT diesel, and finally barebones Lariat diesel. I really went back and forth a lot before settling on the gas. Believe me, I love my current diesel, but the potential repairs or issues down the road concern me, especially on a revised Job 1 diesel (see 2011 Job 1 6.7s and early 2015 6.7s). The gas is worry free, and since I've already had two 6.2s I know it's a quiet, smooth engine.

I asked the sales guy if I could sit in a new F150 before ordering since it is the same cab, to make sure there was good comfort, headroom, etc. Some folks on this forum seemed to think the new F150 was crowded compared to the current Super Duty. This salesman let me sit in his own personal 2016 F150 XLT Crew and it was great. I'm 6'5" 250lbs and it seemed very good. I was also very impressed with the niceness of the XLT...much nicer than my current XLT 6.7.

 

My thoughts exactly! Unless I run into some extra cash in the next two years, I will likely go gas for the reasons you mention. I'm hoping for an EcoBoost, but we will see. There is a reported 5.8L coming as well.

Glad to help! I'm living vicariously for the next two years through you guys! Enjoy your new rides!

 

Thanks! You'll likely get a better deal than us ordering now. Maybe the LEDs will be cheaper then...

 

Wow this is great, Getting a idea on the cost of my next truck, 1 Question Is the power sliding window standard on a XLT ?

 

No it is not. Believe the XLT Premium Package is required.

 

Are these listed prices X plan?

 

Drivin79,


If you look at some of the options lists that are posted..the pics of the sheet....you will see three prices listed. A/Z Plan, D Plan, and X Plan..one right under the other. At least that's what I saw on mine when I ordered Wednesday. I was like "Hey...what's the A/Z plan...Is that just for CPA's??".....lol

 

When I look at the order guide, It looks like the power slider may be a stand alone option on the XLT, I don't see a required package to get it, reads 90L for the XL and nothing for the XLT.

 

Hopefully!

For most of these trucks, invoice and x-plan prices are so close, you can just assume invoice = x-plan.

Correct. Option on Super and Crew cab XLTs.

Power-Sliding Glass with Defrost and Privacy
Glass (
XL req. 90L Power Equipment Group;
924 Privacy Glass is standard on XLT; includes
Driver/Passenger sun visors w/illuminated
vanity covered mirrors)

 

WI took a look at your spreadsheet. F450 DRW 2WD --- is that cab and chassis? I didn't think that was available as a pickup.

bigdon68

 

All I knew for sure was it was not "standard." I've reviewed the order guide, and basically as someone else said, as long as you are buying an extended cab or crew cab, it is a standalone option. Note that you can also, for the first time, buy a fixed dark glass rear window with the defroster built in as another XLT or XL option.

 

You have it all wrong, but you are in good company. Almost everyone gets it wrong.

You do not have to amortize the $7908 diesel engine option on fuel savings alone.

Resale value of the diesel is way above a gas engine. For example, according to Edmunds (NADA site was down) , if you trade in a 2010 SD with say, 120,000 miles, the diesel engine option makes the truck worth $5500-$6000 more than the V10. That is more than the diesel engine option cost in 2010.

Personally, I have a 2000 F250 7.3 Powerstroke in unbelievable condition and only 71,000 miles. I have been offered $15,000 for the truck. With the V10, the truck is only worth around $7000. The $8000 difference in current value is way more than the 7.3 engine option cost in 2000. In fact, the $8000 difference is a 300%-400% return on the diesel engine option investment.

So stop looking at fuel savings alone in making your decision. Buy what makes you happy.

 

That's not true. The diesel option in '10 was close to the same as it is today.

While many of your other points are true, you are neglecting certain factors:

-- cost of financing that extra $8k if you finance. If you don't finance, then the cost of not having that money in the bank. If you invest that $8k at 5% (and there are plenty of stocks paying 5% dividends) then it is $13k in 10 years. That 10 year old truck bringing $6k more doesn't seem such a hot deal now, does it.
-- cost of extra maintenance - that itself will nearly cover the difference in fuel costs
-- added insurance cost. I'm sure the cost to insure a diesel is higher than gas


But yes, if you can afford the diesel and want it, then go for it.

 

I had a point by point response all typed in, but the system deleted it and I do not feel like typing it all in again. I will just add my most import points:

1. You added many factors to the analysis. We could also include inflation rates and projected cost of diesel fuel versus gas. But that would really complicate things. The comment that I was addressing is that you have to amortize the entire cost of the diesel engine option based on fuel savings alone. As you seem to agree with me, the analysis is far more complicated than that. Only the buyer can decide what makes sense for them, with fuel savings being only one consideration.

2. When does spending $70k-$80k on a new truck ever make sound financial sense? It is always cheaper to "make do" or "get by". That is why I have a 2000 SD. The 1 or 2 times a year that I pull my 10k lbs. trailer, it does just fine.

3. The sound of my 7.3 barking to life is priceless.