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Old Feb 23, 2016 | 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ExPACamper
My google-fu isn't working tonight, I guess. Can't find it, except posted in forums- nothing authoritative

Generally, if one is to believe the posts, it isn't great.




What is your micron ratings? Filter number?

The filter might determine the filter base to be used.
http://www.fleetfilter.com/filter/51050.html
 
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Old Feb 23, 2016 | 07:47 PM
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http://www.fleetfilter.com/filter/51050.html
Thanks. From that link:

Product Details

"PARTS DETAIL
Principal Application: Allis-Chalmers, Fiat, Continental, GM, Hyster, Isuzu, Iveco, Towmotor, Other
Style: Spin-On Lube Filter
Service: Lube
Type: By-Pass
Media: Paper
Height: 5.178
Outer Diameter Top: 3.660
Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed
Thread Size: 5/8-18
By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: None
Burst Pressure-PSI: 380
Max Flow Rate: 1-3 GPM
Nominal Micron Rating: 10
Fram PB50"
Maybe not so good as a bypass filter? 10 nominal is pretty...boring?
 
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Old Feb 23, 2016 | 09:31 PM
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I read that, but I didn't even bother to say anything cause I figured it needed to be under 5.
 
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Old Feb 23, 2016 | 10:02 PM
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I read that, but I didn't even bother to say anything cause I figured it needed to be under 5.
Sounds like what I've read, too.

But now there seems to be some questions about being "too fine" of a filter on these older engines...or maybe that's just my questions

I used the "flushing an old transmission with cleaner and subsequently killing it" comparison. Not sure if it applies, but I'm wondering if it might be wise to go with a less aggressive filter like the B50 to start, and consider working my way up (well, down in micron size) after a few months to slowly clean and remove any sludge building up from over the years- without hurting my truck!

I may be overthinking this, as I have a tendency to do, but I don't think it hurts to ask either way
 
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Old Feb 23, 2016 | 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by ExPACamper
Sounds like what I've read, too.

But now there seems to be some questions about being "too fine" of a filter on these older engines...or maybe that's just my questions

I used the "flushing an old transmission with cleaner and subsequently killing it" comparison. Not sure if it applies, but I'm wondering if it might be wise to go with a less aggressive filter like the B50 to start, and consider working my way up (well, down in micron size) after a few months to slowly clean and remove any sludge building up from over the years- without hurting my truck!

I may be overthinking this, as I have a tendency to do, but I don't think it hurts to ask either way
You might try hanging out at "Bob is the Oil Guy" Forum and asking some filter questions there. That's the place that might have the answer to your question.

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Cuz the spectrometer used in a UOA report is reading particle sizes from about 3-8 microns. So it could be possible the filter could be cleaning the additives out.
 
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Old Mar 4, 2016 | 12:37 PM
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Started ordering

Update: Started ordering some items today.

I ordered these from Filter Products - equipment parts - Donaldson, Baldwin, Des-Case, Wilson, Ingersoll Rand - alternators, air & electrical starters, bag, engine & hydraulic filters, bearings



Be advised, shipping is spicy. Paid about $15. It was about $0.50 difference to go from 2 filters to 4, so that's why

This is the filter head



and so it begins....
 
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Old Mar 4, 2016 | 02:42 PM
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Nice, will be probably following close behind. Need to get the Hydro-Booster figured out and finish the on board air system. Getting close I should just throw this into the mix. Might have to start ordering sense I already have the lines and fittings!
 
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Old Mar 4, 2016 | 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by ExPACamper
Update: Started ordering some items today.

I ordered these from Filter Products - equipment parts - Donaldson, Baldwin, Des-Case, Wilson, Ingersoll Rand - alternators, air & electrical starters, bag, engine & hydraulic filters, bearings



Be advised, shipping is spicy. Paid about $15. It was about $0.50 difference to go from 2 filters to 4, so that's why

This is the filter head



and so it begins....

Should be interesting to see...

Here is a bit of info on the filter... wonder why such a difference from the Baldwin B50?

https://dynamic.donaldson.com/WebSto...tml?item=11794
P550050, P550050 filter, P550050 donaldson, P550050 filters, filter donaldson P550050, filter P550050
Understanding Filter Beta Ratios
 
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Old Mar 4, 2016 | 02:49 PM
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Most likely not needed, but what do you think of a shut off valve at the block for the supply line incase something not fun happens
 
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Old Mar 4, 2016 | 03:12 PM
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Not a bad idea if you go on some of the roads (or offroads) that I've been on around Tahoe!
 
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Old Mar 4, 2016 | 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by rufushusky
Should be interesting to see...

Here is a bit of info on the filter... wonder why such a difference from the Baldwin B50?

https://dynamic.donaldson.com/WebSto...tml?item=11794
P550050, P550050 filter, P550050 donaldson, P550050 filters, filter donaldson P550050, filter P550050
Understanding Filter Beta Ratios

Is there a difference? It's listed as a replacement for the Baldwin.

Please explain and feel free to act like I'm clueless. I won't say I'm in that place, but I can probably see it from here
 
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Old Mar 4, 2016 | 05:54 PM
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Most likely not needed, but what do you think of a shut off valve at the block for the supply line incase something not fun happens
Hmmm....it's a low flow, but I wonder about the hot oil and the valve internal material.

Probably should be careful not to go cheap on the valve to prevent failures.

The other thing I'd worry about is too much "stiff" plumbing to vibrate, be flunggered by gravel and stuff (yeah, laugh at my new word, but you know exactly what it means, LOL), and get tangled in weeds or whatever.

It is an interesting idea, though
 
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Old Mar 4, 2016 | 06:01 PM
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I installed a rock guard to protect protect my filter. Was worried about it loading up with mud but it hasn't been a problem. The lines are inside the frame rail so you'd have to get in some deep weeds, bushes, etc to get to them.

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...er-w-pics.html
 
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Old Mar 4, 2016 | 06:07 PM
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I installed a rock guard to protect protect my filter. Was worried about it loading up with mud but it hasn't been a problem. The lines are inside the frame rail so you'd have to get in some deep weeds, bushes, etc to get to them.

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...er-w-pics.html
Is that a challenge? Haha.

And man, you gotta warn a guy before he goes scrolling down and sees that cigar fellow Just kidding.

I saw that post before, looks good. One of the ones that inspired me to put something there and guard it
 
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Old Mar 4, 2016 | 06:28 PM
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This should in no way affect your plans but I thought I would post this since it pertains to oil and changes to diesel oil specifications that are coming down the road this December.

"WASHINGTON, March 2, 2016 – The American Petroleum Institute (API) announced that it has approved two new diesel engine oil standards, API Service Categories CK-4 and FA-4. These new categories resulted from years of collaborative effort between API’s Lubricants Group, the Truck & Engine Manufacturers Association (EMA) and the American Chemistry Council (ACC) click here for the full announcement."

http://www.api.org/~/media/Files/Cer...2016.pdf?la=en

I can't find any specific info on the exact spec changes. All that I can find is that the new spec will have better oxidation, improved sheer stability and better wear properties. That's all great (especially the sheering aspect IMO for the 6.0L and those running high ICP tunes on there 7.3L) but I'm curious if there will be any cut backs on the allowable zinc levels or anything else like last time? The reason for the reduction in zinc & phosphorous in 2007 was to maintain the life of the new emission control systems. But that and the added heat from the EGR systems does not pertain to our 7.3L's. I guess we just wait and see. But just like in 2007 when we changed to CJ-4, I'll stock up on some of my favorites for a good years worth of oil changes so my stuff won't be one of the guinea pigs/test monkeys.
 
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