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Very interesting about the intercooler. The weight difference is only 5lbs though(5.0=444lbs) (eb=449). And Your saying the plow would sit so close that it would actually block off the intercooler??? That's weird. So no plowing, or front mounts for EBs?? The 6.7 has an FMIC, doesn't it? That works fine with a plow.
6.7 runs an water to air intercooler. Housed within the engine bay.
I found another post from here (2013), saying the electric steering in the EB has a problem with plows also.
This may be part of it. When snow mode is on you lose the heated sets, wheel, back/but rubber, and the power inverter. The 5.0 also has an electric ps pump though too I believe, unless the snow prep ones have a belt driven one. The guide doesn't indicate this though, or any difference in alternators.
I was referring to the medium trucks (650/750), where the entire segment has only one gas offering, Fords. Obviously the light SD trucks need gas offerings. I tell just about everyone to not consider the diesel, most folks simply don't need it. Overall I'm not saying there isn't profit for Ford on the diesels, but I see folks post all the time about "cutting into the 6.7 sales" as justification, but have never seen the evidence on it, though the percentage aspect is likely correct. I still think for would rather sell 2 gas trucks rather than one diesel.
Good advice, diesels are very often not the best choice for many truck users, even when it comes to medium duty. My advice to you is 'make hay while the sun shines', Ford will not have the only gasoline engine in the medium duty sector forever.......
Very interesting about the intercooler. The weight difference is only 5lbs though(5.0=444lbs) (eb=449). And Your saying the plow would sit so close that it would actually block off the intercooler??? That's weird. So no plowing, or front mounts for EBs?? The 6.7 has an FMIC, doesn't it? That works fine with a plow.
I thought the weight difference was more...I didn't realize it was that close.
I'm not sure of the differences with the 6.7L, but I'm sure the Super Duty was designed from the beginning with the plow in mind. Plus, the SD has a much bigger grill, sits higher off the ground, and has much more room to get the necessary airflow. These are my gut feelings, not necessarily the reasons (), but I know that part of the issue with the plow on the EB IS the airflow to the IC.
Originally Posted by texastech_diesel
Does the EB in the F150 run e-fans? I really don't know how e-fans would impact airflow versus the old "plow clutch" fan.
I don't know for sure, but I though the F150 went all e-fans. I could be wrong...
Originally Posted by Frantz
This may be part of it. When snow mode is on you lose the heated sets, wheel, back/but rubber, and the power inverter. The 5.0 also has an electric ps pump though too I believe, unless the snow prep ones have a belt driven one. The guide doesn't indicate this though, or any difference in alternators.
All '15+ F150's have EPAS, not just the EB. In '11-14, the 6.2L still had hydraulic. And yes, when turning on the snow mode, it directs more power to the EPAS so you lose those other features. Losing heated seats would be enough reason NOT to plow with an F150.
I'm going to buy an F-350 dually come fall and I'm reconciled to the fact I'll have to buy a diesel for the job intended: I don't look forward to the added chores of using a diesel, I'd much prefer a gasser with sufficient power. The Dodge 3500 6.4 gasser dually almost gets me where I need to be but not quite. I think 7 liter Ecoboost, if such a thing were built, would be just the ticket.
I'm going to buy an F-350 dually come fall and I'm reconciled to the fact I'll have to buy a diesel for the job intended: I don't look forward to the added chores of using a diesel, I'd much prefer a gasser with sufficient power. The Dodge 3500 6.4 gasser dually almost gets me where I need to be but not quite. I think 7 liter Ecoboost, if such a thing were built, would be just the ticket.
A 7 liter ecoboost would kill sales of the 6.7. That will never happen IMO.
A 7 liter ecoboost would kill sales of the 6.7. That will never happen IMO.
Perhaps. But on the other hand it might also kill the sales of the Dodge and GM diesels too, that would be desirable for Ford, yes?
I don't think this diesel thing, already quite complicated and somewhat finicky, is going to get any easier, the market might turn to powerful gassers anyway.
Perhaps. But on the other hand it might also kill the sales of the Dodge and GM diesels too, that would be desirable for Ford, yes?
I don't think this diesel thing, already quite complicated and somewhat finicky, is going to get any easier, the market might turn to powerful gassers anyway.
I wonder how much torque and HP a 7 liter ecoboost gasser would have? should be about double what the EB 3.5 has? mpg's might not be too good.
I wonder how much torque and HP a 7 liter ecoboost gasser would have? should be about double what the EB 3.5 has? mpg's might not be too good.
Yes, I suppose double would be a reasonable assumption, in that case meaning about 730 HP and 840 torque, note the 3.5 Ecoboost makes it's 420 torque at only 2500 RPM. Some people think the EBs "work too hard" when actually they loaf along at low RPMs when towing.
I too would expect poor mileage but the premium cost of a Diesel engine buys lots of gasoline, that might offset possible poor mileage. The biggest problem might be the poor mileage caused by an inability to keep from jumping on a 700 HP pickup; I get on my 3.5 Ecoboost often, can't help it, thing runs.
I'm going to buy an F-350 dually come fall and I'm reconciled to the fact I'll have to buy a diesel for the job intended: I don't look forward to the added chores of using a diesel, I'd much prefer a gasser with sufficient power. The Dodge 3500 6.4 gasser dually almost gets me where I need to be but not quite. I think 7 liter Ecoboost, if such a thing were built, would be just the ticket.
Ford will not build a 7 liter EB. 5 Liter EB may be on the table. Considering my stock 5.0 will walk away from 6.7's on the street, a 5.0 Ecobeast would probably kill the 6.7 PS towing. It might take more RPM's, but the 5.0EB has plenty. No need for 7 liter Eco's.