No ecoboost
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I can't tell if we've gotten derailed, or if this topic was always so scattered, but here's my nearly relevant thoughts.
1) There is a 2nd Generation EcoBoost motor coming for the raptor.
2) The EcoBoost has been selling really well in the F150's, better than most armchair quaterbacks predicted.
3) While many Super Duty trucks do get overloaded, beaten and generally abused, I don't think the engine is the weak link in that equation, nor do I think this is a primary concern for Ford Motor Corp. Suspension and brakes are much more critical.
4) If Ford thinks it can make more money by offering a version of the EcoBoost in the Super Duty trucks, they will find a way to do it.
5) I like putting things in list form.
Have a great day everyone.
1) There is a 2nd Generation EcoBoost motor coming for the raptor.
2) The EcoBoost has been selling really well in the F150's, better than most armchair quaterbacks predicted.
3) While many Super Duty trucks do get overloaded, beaten and generally abused, I don't think the engine is the weak link in that equation, nor do I think this is a primary concern for Ford Motor Corp. Suspension and brakes are much more critical.
4) If Ford thinks it can make more money by offering a version of the EcoBoost in the Super Duty trucks, they will find a way to do it.
5) I like putting things in list form.
Have a great day everyone.
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I can't tell if we've gotten derailed, or if this topic was always so scattered, but here's my nearly relevant thoughts.
1) There is a 2nd Generation EcoBoost motor coming for the raptor.
2) The EcoBoost has been selling really well in the F150's, better than most armchair quaterbacks predicted.
3) While many Super Duty trucks do get overloaded, beaten and generally abused, I don't think the engine is the weak link in that equation, nor do I think this is a primary concern for Ford Motor Corp. Suspension and brakes are much more critical.
4) If Ford thinks it can make more money by offering a version of the EcoBoost in the Super Duty trucks, they will find a way to do it.
5) I like putting things in list form.
Have a great day everyone.
1) There is a 2nd Generation EcoBoost motor coming for the raptor.
2) The EcoBoost has been selling really well in the F150's, better than most armchair quaterbacks predicted.
3) While many Super Duty trucks do get overloaded, beaten and generally abused, I don't think the engine is the weak link in that equation, nor do I think this is a primary concern for Ford Motor Corp. Suspension and brakes are much more critical.
4) If Ford thinks it can make more money by offering a version of the EcoBoost in the Super Duty trucks, they will find a way to do it.
5) I like putting things in list form.
Have a great day everyone.
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From: Lewisberry, Penn
Has anyone ever actually seen numbers on profits for the 6.7? I haven't personally, but I always find it interesting that folks simply seem to assume the 6.7 is some profit engine. How much of the $7k invoice is cost over the gas model? They don't offer any fleet incentives for taking the diesel, and at the dealer level we don't make more for diesels vs any other option by percentage (and non if you are going as an offset from invoice). I think Ford is more interested in selling lots of trucks than making the 6.7 a major profit center. After all, we are the only company in the industry even offering a gas motor in the medium duty trucks, why would Ford do that if it's stealing profit from the 6.7 models and there is no president to offer it?
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Has anyone ever actually seen numbers on profits for the 6.7? I haven't personally, but I always find it interesting that folks simply seem to assume the 6.7 is some profit engine. How much of the $7k invoice is cost over the gas model? They don't offer any fleet incentives for taking the diesel, and at the dealer level we don't make more for diesels vs any other option by percentage (and non if you are going as an offset from invoice). I think Ford is more interested in selling lots of trucks than making the 6.7 a major profit center. After all, we are the only company in the industry even offering a gas motor in the medium duty trucks, why would Ford do that if it's stealing profit from the 6.7 models and there is no president to offer it?
That doesn't include the amortization costs. The more they build, the more they make per engine due to fixed costs. And, since the 6.7L is only offered in F2-750 trucks, the more they can sell, the better.
The reason the gasser is offered in the MD trucks is because many customers were looking for that non-diesel alternative due to the additional costs of running today's emissions-compliant diesels. That's exactly why I think we will see the EB show up in the Super Duty.
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From: Boise
Has anyone ever actually seen numbers on profits for the 6.7? I haven't personally, but I always find it interesting that folks simply seem to assume the 6.7 is some profit engine. How much of the $7k invoice is cost over the gas model? They don't offer any fleet incentives for taking the diesel, and at the dealer level we don't make more for diesels vs any other option by percentage (and non if you are going as an offset from invoice). I think Ford is more interested in selling lots of trucks than making the 6.7 a major profit center. After all, we are the only company in the industry even offering a gas motor in the medium duty trucks, why would Ford do that if it's stealing profit from the 6.7 models and there is no president to offer it?
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From: Boise
I think that #4 is the holdup. An Eco-boost with any significant improvement over the 6.2 would eat heavily into the 6.7 sales. I do not see them bringing out an Eco unless the competition prompts them to. I hope I am wrong though. A single rear wheel F-350 3.5 Eco would be perfect for my needs.
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I will preach the ecoboost to anyone that will listen but in a superduty? Na! I would like the v10 to be an option as I would jump all over that but it never will cause a lot would and diesel sales would plummet.
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From: Lewisberry, Penn
I was referring to the medium trucks (650/750), where the entire segment has only one gas offering, Fords. Obviously the light SD trucks need gas offerings. I tell just about everyone to not consider the diesel, most folks simply don't need it. Overall I'm not saying there isn't profit for Ford on the diesels, but I see folks post all the time about "cutting into the 6.7 sales" as justification, but have never seen the evidence on it, though the percentage aspect is likely correct. I still think for would rather sell 2 gas trucks rather than one diesel.
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Even with TTs, there still must be a connection between displacement and workload. For example, in the new F-150s, they push the EB3.5 as the top engine, but it's only the 5.0 that gets the snow plow prep button. I feel like that's a hint.. Like saying "if you're really going to abuse this thing, we'd rather you do it with the bigger displacement engine."
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From: Central MO
Even with TTs, there still must be a connection between displacement and workload. For example, in the new F-150s, they push the EB3.5 as the top engine, but it's only the 5.0 that gets the snow plow prep button. I feel like that's a hint.. Like saying "if you're really going to abuse this thing, we'd rather you do it with the bigger displacement engine."
- The 5.0 is actually lighter than the 3.5 EB, and the EPS will only take so much weight
- The plow would block the intake for the intercooler that is so important to the EB engines
The second item on the list is the most important and the real kicker. It has nothing to do with displacement.
Tuned
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There are two reasons for the availability of the plow package on the 5.0 only:
- The 5.0 is actually lighter than the 3.5 EB, and the EPS will only take so much weight
- The plow would block the intake for the intercooler that is so important to the EB engines
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From: Boise
Yes 650/750 is what I have been told and read it in other forums about U-Hauls request/demand for the V10 in these trucks. I have read the V10 has helped jump sales in the MedDuty market.
Tuned
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Hey! I think this solves the original debate! That's why there's no EB in the SD, it's the intercooler! lol