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96 f.150 electronic 4x4 issues

Hey guys srry if their is a similar thread I searched and couldnt find anyone with my exact problem. I have a 96 f.150 with a 351w and it has the electronic push button fourwheel drive, and its worked fine ever since I, ve had the truck I tried to lock it in yesterday and I couldnt here the solenoid click or the motor engage, and the switch on the dash didnt light up. So first I checked the fuse and it was good then I changed the switch with spare one, still nothin then I checked the transfer case module up under the dash and I performed the test and it showed it was good, then I moved on to the motor on the transfer case took it off gave power too it and it spun fine, just in case I swapped it with another one that worked same thing. Buttons wouldnt light up. I tried unhooking the negative on the battery and resetting still nothin. Front drive shaft spins free so its in 2wd, So I've done everything i could think to do. Would appreciate any help. Btw I have manual warn locking hubs that work fine if that matters
 
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Everything i read says you basically checked everything except i didn't see anything about you checking to see if you actually had power getting through your circuit. Did you use a volt meter? To see if you had power?
 
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i have power coming into to the module but nothing getting to the motor. the only thing's i havent checked were the speed sensor and shift position sensors in the transfer case because the tail shaft actually has to come off. and yes i used a volt meter
 
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also i tried resetting the module again and pressed the 4x4 high button and it randomly locked it self in 4 low with the truck in park does that mean the shift position sensor is bad?
 
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if you can press it into high, and tap the shift motor on the transfer case znd it engages, its more than likely your motor is shot
 
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I took the motor off engaged it with a jump pack it spins fine I even energized it with it on the transfer case. So the motor is good it's just not receiving power from the module I'm thinking position sensor or speed sensor in the transfer case isn't sending a signal to the module. When I tested the module and plugged it back in and tried to press the 4 high button I heard a click in the box. The light on the switch didn't light up, but it locked itself in 4 low, while it was in park not sure how that's possible, but that's what I working with. Not sure if the position sensor works that or speed sensor. I also tried changing computers and it did the same thing.
 
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Diagnosis of the Electric Shift 4 X 4
The Ford "Touch Drive" shift-on-the-fly system is currently available on Ranger, Bronco, F-Series and Explorer. Following are the six common concerns most often expressed by customers:

1. Nothing happens (dead system).
2. No range shift.
3. Attempt to shift into 4H from 2H or 4L results in the module clicking and chattering and the system stops in 2H.
4. At start up, the vehicle shifts on its own.
5. Indicator lights don't register the correct information.
6. Shifting on the fly isn't smooth and may require stopping in order to complete the shift.
Figure 21





All these conditions can be best understood by taking a close look at a schematic of the electrical system (Figure 21). We will be referring to this schematic throughout this article.

Power In

Power is supplied to the system at 3 points (P1, P2 and P3 in schematic):

P1. This is a direct connection to the battery. This power drives the electric shift control motor and provides current to the instrument cluster lamps. This circuit goes to ground G1.

P2. The electronic shift control module is tied into the ignition circuit. This circuit provides power to the computer and goes to ground G2.

P3. Nighttime illumination is provided by a connection to the vehicle's nighttime illumination circuit, which goes to ground G3.

The electronic shift control module directs power depending on the position of the control switches. You will notice that inputs and outputs to and from the shift module are labeled "A", "B" or "C." "A" circuits are power circuits, "B" circuits are data circuits from sensors and "C" circuits are activating switch and related lamp circuits.

We have already explained the power in circuits "A." The "B" circuits supply data from three sources: The speed sensor, the motor position sensor and either a neutral switch (for automatic transmissions) or a clutch switch (for manual transmissions).

The speed sensor is important because the vehicle must be stopped for a shift into or out of 4L. The shift module won't make the shift if the vehicle is moving. The shift module also won't make a shift to 4L or back unless an automatic transmission is in neutral or the clutch is depressed on a manual transmission.

Figure 20




The motor position sensor indicates the position of the shift motor shaft. This shaft turns through approximately 270 degrees and should stop at three indexed points, 2H, 4H and 4L (Figure 20). The shift control module needs to know where the shaft is before making a new shift. When this sensor isn't functioning properly or the motor stops slightly off location, the shift control module may become "confused."

The "C" circuits involve the switches on the vehicle's control panel. When everything is working properly, activating a switch will result in either a shift from 2H to 4H or back, or a shift from 4H to 4L or back. The default operating mode is 2H. This means that in the absence of other instructions, the shift control module will assume that the vehicle should be in 2H. If there is a failure in the system during shifts or engine start up, it will default the vehicle to 2H and permit continued operation.

DIAGNOSIS

With this background, let's diagnose our six problem areas.

Nothing Happens (Dead System)

Figure 22




The obvious first step in diagnosing a dead system is to check the power sources, fuses and grounds. If these check out, you should run the shift control module self-test. Figure 22 shows the module with pigtail "A," "B" and "C" attachments. The self-test button and self-test LED are located on the side of the shift control module.

Disconnect the "B" and "C" connectors, turn on the ignition and allow 4 seconds for the module to power up. Then push the self-test button. If the LED doesn't illuminate, the module is dead and must be replaced. If the LED comes on and stays on for 30 seconds, there is an error condition and the module will have to be replaced. If the module is OK the LED will flash 4 times.

This test, however, is not 100 percent accurate. During the test, the vehicle isn't operating, so the shift control module isn't receiving data and initiating shifts. If the unit passes the self-test, it's probably a good module. Go on to check for other probable causes, but don't rule out the module entirely. If your search doesn't turn up any other cause, it may be the module after all. You may have to try replacing the module even though it passed the self-test.

Check Sensors

A logical next step is to check the three sensors with the ignition on. The transmission sensors (manual or automatic) should be closed with the clutch in, or the automatic shift in neutral. The speed sensor should show 225-275 ohms with the vehicle stopped. Check at the module connection.

Figure 20




Figure 21




Figure 23



Check both the motor position sensors and the wiring harness at B4, B5, B6 and B7 and the input from B8 (see Figure 21). Make sure the harness is OK first, then check the contacts against the chart in Figure 23. Each valid combination of open and closed switches indicates a different position of the motor. For example, at the 4H position, B7 is closed, B6 is closed, B5 is open and B4 is open. Besides the three main positions (2H, 4H and 4L), intermediate positions are also shown - three between 2H and 4H and three between 4H and 4L (see Figure 20 and the chart in Figure 23). Combinations other than those shown in Figure 23 indicate a defective motor sensor assembly.

Check Transfer Case Motor

To check if the transfer case motor is actually functioning (because it may be hard to hear it in a noisy shop) attach a voltmeter to A4 and A5. Have someone activate a shift and look for a brief (one second) increase in voltage and listen for the relay to click on, then off.

If there is power present, then the control module is trying to run the motor. At this point, unbolt the motor and have someone activate a shift again. If the motor doesn't actually turn, it is malfunctioning and must be replaced.

If there is no power to the motor, check both the power circuits again and the sensors. If there is incorrect sensor data, the module won't power the motor.

Check Shift Switches

If the problem isn't in the sensors or the motor, you should next check the control panel switches. Make this check with the ignition on. Disconnect the "B" and "C" connections to the sensors, so that their data won't confuse the diagnosis. Now check power at the C1 connection at the module. There should be 5 volts coming from the shift control module to the 4H and 4L switches. Check C1, C2, and C3 for short to ground.

You can check the switches themselves by disconnecting C1 and checking continuity across C1 to C2 and C1 to C3. If current passes when the switch buttons are pushed, the switches are OK.

Finally, check for a short between C2 and C3 by bridging between them and activating the 4H and 4L buttons. There are situations where wiring harnesses get crushed in such a way that two wires are crushed together and short, even though there is no short to ground.

Check Lamps

To check the lamps, turn the ignition on and ground C4 and C5. The lamps should light.

No Range Shift

If the vehicle won't shift into 4L, check the speed sensor and the transmission interlocks (neutral or clutch in). Also check the 4L switch (C3) to see if the module is getting a signal. Be sure to check for corroded connections.

It may seem strange to say this, but you should ask the owner/operator if this was the first time the vehicle was ever shifted into 4L. Many vehicles are purchased and operated for considerable periods of time before a shift to 4L is made. The problem may be a defective part that was there from the beginning.

If the vehicle is brought to the shop in 4L with the report that it won't shift back to 4H, your first check is to follow the proper sequence of being stopped and having the vehicle in neutral (or clutch in) when pushing the switch. If this doesn't do the trick, check the 4L switch and the motor position sensor.

Shift From 2H to 4H Results In Chatter and Clicking Noises From The Module, But No Shift

Typically, in this situation the motor hunts for 4H, but overshoots, then hunts back and overshoots the other way. After 7-10 seconds, with lots of clicks and chatter, the module gives up and returns to the default, which is 2H. This problem is normally not the sensor input. It is usually the result of the motor running too fast or braking too slowly to allow the module to position it accurately. The motor must be replaced.

At Start Up, the Vehicle Shifts On Its Own

This can occur when the motor position sensor indicates an intermediate position between 4H and 4L. If the vehicle is started in PARK instead of NEUTRAL, when the driver first moves the transmission shift lever to DRIVE, the transmission passes through NEUTRAL. As it passes through NEUTRAL, the shift module activates the shift called for by the misinformation from the motor position sensor. On manual transmissions or automatic transmissions started in NEUTRAL, the shift occurs immediately.

This may be a one-time-only event. However, the motor position sensor should be checked if it happens frequently.

There is another situation when owners may report a similar occurence. In Bronco II, Ranger and Explorer vehicles built before August, 1990, the shift control module is turned on whenever the ignition switch is placed in the accessory position, but the shift lights are not powered. For example, if someone has the radio on while they clean the interior of the cab, and they accidentally activate a shift button, there would be no indication of what had happened. If they then went to drive the vehicle, the shift that had been accidentally selected would be seen. In vehicles built after August, 1990, the module is only powered in the run and start position.

Indicator Lights Don't Register the Correct Information

Ranger, Bronco II and Explorer have indicator lights in two locations. There are lights on the dash and LED indicator lights in the switches. Other vehicles have only the dash lights. If the dash lights on any vehicle don't respond, look for no power or a burned out bulb.

If the lights are on all the time, look for a short to ground. Also check to see if the shift control module is activating them all ... this is a malfunction.

If the LED lights, in the buttons, remain on all the time, first check to see if the dash lights are also on. If the dash lights are not on, this means that the dash lights have burned out. The LED lights are on because a low current is still passing across, enough to light the LED.

If no lights illuminate as you go through the shifts and ground power and bulbs are good, then the module is at fault or the motor has stopped at an intermediate point.

Shifting on the Fly Isn't Smooth and May Require Stopping In Order to Complete the Shift

Look for problems with the electric magnetic clutch. If the racheting or grinding goes on for more than four seconds, there may be a problem with power to the clutch from the shift control module, the clutch ground or the clutch itself. Check the wiring harness as well.
 
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Don't know if this will help or not, but here is the '96 service manual section for the Electronic Shift Transfer case:
 
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Alright I spent all day working on it. I have a 95 f.150 almost identical to my 96 same transfer case and everything. Ive compared everything on my 96 to it. At the a plug and b plug I have the same power on the same wires on each truck. I tried my module on the 95 and it worked just fine. I tried the speed sensor off the 95 to see if that was my problem. Both made no difference. So then I tried the motor and the module out of the 95 to see if that would work and still wouldnt work. At the plug coming to the motor from the module I have 5 volts on both wires while key is on. On both trucks. The only thing I havent checked is the brown wire going inside the transfer case to the clutch thing. Not sure if that would cause it not to work or not. Not sure how tomcheck an see if its good or not. Thanks for all the help guys this things killing me.
 
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The clutch is just like an a/c compressor clutch. You can energize the brown wire with +12V (referenced to chassis ground because the other side of the clutch coil grounds thru the transfer case itself) and that should lock up the front driveshaft.

The way it's supposed to work is that when you request a shift the control module energizes the clutch which will spin the front drivetrain (driveshaft and axles) up to a speed that matches the rear drivetrain. Once the module sees that the front and rear drivetrain speeds are sync'd it will command the shift motor to make the actual shift that locks the two together, and then the clutch is disengaged.

Not sure what the problem is with yours, that seems strange and boy are you lucky to have a matching truck you can swap parts between! I know it ain't the "right" way to fix it but if that was my truck I'd just swap in a manual transfer case. I don't care for electric shift cases ever since a failed position sensor left me stuck in 2wd when I needed 4wd. My truck came with the same system yours has and I planned on replacing the case with a manual model, but had to do it earlier than planned because my electric case grenaded!
 
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Yea I love my push button never had any issues out of it till now. I worked to hard to stick a manual in it now. Ha I, ve checked everything big so it must be something small and by taking the motor off u can still lock it in fourwheel drive if u ever realy needed it. Just not practical, thanku for the info with the clutch Ill give it a try.
 
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