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Old Apr 25, 2015 | 07:49 PM
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Front Axle Rebuild Help

Ok everyone so I'm looking at rebuilding my front end. I've done some research but want to be sure I've got the proper list of things to get.

First things first I've got a 2006 F250 Lariat Crew Cab 4wd. 110k on it. I have a lift going on it now, and 37's wrapped around 20's. This is how I found out I have a problem. The guy who's doing the lift for me while I vacation here in Hawaii, so I don't loose any time with the truck while I'm in town, said the following:

Lot's of play in the hubs, ball joints are tight, thinks it's the bearings. Then said something about it having to do with the 4wd and not the 2wd. So in 2wd they're ok and I"ll be ok, but if I go into 4wd and lock the hubs (manual locking hubs btw) then I'll have issues and noise. Well, being in Hawaii, and not there, I don't know what exactly it is, but I've done some looking, video watching, etc and came to the conclusion that with the new wheels and tires and lift etc, and pulling a trailer, I may as well rebuild the front axles.

I've priced out the following, are these ok parts, or is there something I should use instead? If so, what brands and what part numbers please:

Timken SP940200 Wheel Bearing and Hub Assembly x 2
Warn Premium Manual Locking hubs PN 95060
Moog Ball Joints PN K8607T x 2
Moog Ball Joints PN K80026 x 2
Moog U-Joints PN 374 x 2

I haven't been able to find out the part numbers for the seals and bearings etc from Spicer for the 2006 specifically. The places I'm going seem to say 98-04 in a "Master kit". Can someone shed some light on this please.

I found a Master Kit on Amazon from Spicer (
Amazon.com: Ford 98-04 F250 F350 Superduty Dana 50/60 Outer Axle Stub Shaft/ Master Seal Kit: Automotive Amazon.com: Ford 98-04 F250 F350 Superduty Dana 50/60 Outer Axle Stub Shaft/ Master Seal Kit: Automotive
) but again, it says 98-04. But this would be nice to have a kit with everything in it basically.

I'm not sure if I'll need outer axle shafts or not, I'm guessing I'll know after I open it up. But the one's I'm seeing on Amazon are Ford Part Number Ford 4C3Z-3B387-AA - SHAFT - FRONT AXLE, But again, it doesn't show a year on it, and when I look I can only find 98-04. My assumption, was that the 03, 04, - 07's were pretty much the same stuff. Am I incorrect?

Do I need any other seals or anything like that? I'd like to have everything on hand of course, when I get it up and ready to work on it.

Thanks for any help everyone. Let me know if you need any other info, I'll try to get you any from what I remember from here. I don't have the truck on hand.

Thanks!
 
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Old Apr 25, 2015 | 08:31 PM
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Front axle was changed in 2005

The front axle was changed a little in 2005, so the 94-04 parts won't fit.

The hub/bearing should come with the a new o-ring, if not, you need one of those. Also you should replace the knuckle seal, it's pretty big. The locking hubs should also come with a new gasket, I believe there is one.

There is also an updated axle shaft seal. I'll get the part #

Tools, I'm gonna get a pic of all the tools I used and you really should have to do the job.


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Old Apr 25, 2015 | 08:34 PM
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Fantastic. Thanks for that info. Saves me some frustration.

I've also see about that homemade seal tool, the pipe and floor base thing. Seems simple enough, but I'm happy to hear what you have used. Then I can be as prepared as possible.

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Old Apr 25, 2015 | 09:13 PM
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The axle shaft seal is a dust seal, it keeps dust and dirt from getting into your axle tube. Part # BRS-170

The Moog ball joints, I used the same as you have listed. They fit fine and seem to be holding up well. Installed about a year ago.

I did not replace the knuckle seal (wish I did) so not sure of the part #.








These are the tools,

OTC 7249 Ball joint kit
Astro Pneumatic 7868 adapter kit
SK 7750 Retaining Ring Pliers set
OTC 6697 Knuckle seal driver.

Keep in mind the knuckle seal is not the same as the 94-04, it's a different seal and uses a different seal driver. To my knowledge no one has made a 05 and up seal driver, not saying it can't be done though.

The ball joint kits are pretty standard, but the retaining ring pliers are the only ones I could find that would do the job.

Most of these tools and parts I bought off Amazon.

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Old Apr 25, 2015 | 09:54 PM
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There are no affordable aftermarket 2005+ locking hubs

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Old Apr 25, 2015 | 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Bullitt390
There are no affordable aftermarket 2005+ locking hubs

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That's helpful. Elaborate please?
 
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Old Apr 25, 2015 | 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by carver94f350
That's helpful. Elaborate please?
It's either OEM hubs or this:

http://www.4wheelparts.com/Drivetrai...jGDxoCVhvw_wcB

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Old Apr 25, 2015 | 10:16 PM
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Why do I need that? I already have manual locking hubs. All I want is to replace the worn out stuff, with new stuff, and replace the locks with better ones.

So what's wrong with the Timken stuff and moog stuff?
 
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The original post mentioned Warn locking hubs, I am clarifying those will not work.

Warn makes the OE 05+ locking hubs anyways.

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Old Apr 26, 2015 | 11:57 AM
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Here are the Spicer wheel joints. Here in KC,, they are nowhere in stock. Gotta order them.



The 3x's are non greasable. The ones in the pic are greasable.
 
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Originally Posted by Bullitt390
The original post mentioned Warn locking hubs, I am clarifying those will not work.

Warn makes the OE 05+ locking hubs anyways.

Josh
https://www.warn.com/truck/hubs/ford...uty_Hubs.shtml

"Available March 2015"

I'm assuming those are different than the OE ones you mentioned? Mine just say Ford on them.
 
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Originally Posted by bthr22
https://www.warn.com/truck/hubs/ford...uty_Hubs.shtml

"Available March 2015"

I'm assuming those are different than the OE ones you mentioned? Mine just say Ford on them.
Ain't that a kick in the pants. Good to know they finally came out with something.

Although I think the only weak point was the needle bearing.

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Ain't that a kick in the pants. Good to know they finally came out with something.

Although I think the only weak point was the needle bearing.

Josh
My understanding was that the standard manual hubs from Ford were just prone to failing due to plastic parts. Was that updated for 05+?
 
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Originally Posted by bthr22
My understanding was that the standard manual hubs from Ford were just prone to failing due to plastic parts. Was that updated for 05+?
My experience is the needle bearing seizes and implodes. No real good way to grease it.

The bearing is only about $5 though.

The plastic dial works perfectly fine
 
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