I have the data sorted by vehicle owner, but that won't work on a public list. I'm thinking the most sensible way to sort the data is by injector type, because no one other thing has such an impact on how the truck behaves. Under than the injector type, we could have sub-categories like air mods and tunes.

You can see where I'm going with this. Just because we have data, doesn't mean we slap it up there and blow a bugle fanfare. The data is useful if we take the time to learn the mods on the truck, and categorize it.

We also need a rock-solid agreement, guys. This is the sole reason I have kept the data under my vest for so long. Once you see this, there will be an OMG moment for each of you. We must all agree that absolutely no tuning information will be divulged, other than the HP rating or utility of the tune (like 80 HP or warm-up tune). If any of you have a problem with this, I can still use help with graphing the data stripped of compromising information.

 

Tugly…
I would probably suggest putting the tune manufacturer up? I am kinda torn about suggesting that… it may mean that we promote one tuner over others…… which could cause problems…. But when graphing the data and putting it out there we need to lay out all the relevant factors that impact hp and torque….

To that point relative location and air pressure could have an impact. Ex: a 80 hp tune from “tuner a” could result in one hp number in south florida and be completely different in Colorado.

To that effect “tuner a” could have an 80 hp tune that puts out say 700 lb/ft of torque while “tuner b”’s 80 hp tune could put out 800 lb/ft of torque. Not saying it does…I agree with not divulging the tuners data….

 

It's a bigger problem than that. The data doesn't contain HP or torque numbers, that's for the driver to determine at the dyno. Say truck A has a problem in with the fueling on a 60 HP tune from tuner B, we wouldn't want members going on a witch hunt when the issue is bad O-rings.

Now... say a tuner has a flaw in the tuning, but it doesn't reveal itself until something is up with the truck. If the tuner isn't anticipating a problem with the truck, and that problem is common - it could look like that one tuner is out to get our trucks. We'd all then grab pitchforks, scythes, and torches and mob to the tuner's door.

I can't be the one that instigates a scene from a movie, but I will put the data out there and let the brotherhood sort it out.

I have a collection point for the data and the Double-R Data Development team is establishing guidelines and formats to make everything consistent. This is no longer a topic of conversation, things are in motion and data is in the cloud. Volunteers - I hope you were serious. This is a daunting task for 1 or 2 people, but many hands will make it manageable (and quicker).

Those with AE and other scan gauges/tools: We will have a "template" for logging data and submitting to the cause. If you follow the template, the data will be pretty much ready to share. If you do your own thing and just "record a bunch of stuff" without setting parameters for the data, then it will take time to process it and get it ready for consumption. AE is not helping us in this matter - some of the versions have whacked-out PID settings, and data can be in the wrong format by default - or even be missing until the settings are changed. Thorough instructions will be posted in an effort to prevent this problem.

 

I can't spend any real amount of time on this, but I can contribute some data from my two vehicles. One (the '03 Ex) is bone stock with only an HPX mod in the engine picture. The '02 F250 has either a chip or program of unknown origin along with the HPX, a poor man's Reg Return, a 6.0L IC, and the EBPV-delete w/ high flow outlet. Both are on a 6637. Both have original stock sticks.

Downside is that I need to update my AE. Once the instructions on the PID issues an appropriate settings are established, I'll commit to updating AE and begin to log some data from each vehicle for use in the database.

 

be careful which version you update to. I know 5.3 will allow me to change the tires size, but the 8.x won't let me. Also, some of the newer versions don't include MAT and some only show voltage for ambient air pressure instead of showing votage and pressure.......stuff drives a guy crazy.

edit: but the newer versions (9.x and up) have much nicer graphing options.

 

It's been a couple years since I last updated the software and upgraded to the Pro adapter. I'll have to check tonight to see which version I currently have installed.

 

the more Excursions the better Pete!

 

I need input from you guys. Here is a list we need to fill out on each vehicle, in order for the data to be of any use to a reader:

Year
Model
Transmission
Injectors
Turbo
Intake
Exhaust
Fuel System
Tune List
Special

Injectors will be something like New 160/100 SS or Reman 175/0 (stock nozzle) SS - Not Swamps 175/145 or FFD 160/80 SS. Alliant vs Bosch is good info, though.

Intake, Exhaust, and Fuel would include brands and types of mods.

Tune list might include DD and tow, or 80 HP and 30 Tow - but it will not identify the tuner, like an "80E". It's important the data does not allow for biased opinions to skew the readings.

Special might include hardware added, or it could specify known/discovered issues/symptoms with the truck. This could include curb weight for something like a 450 with a service body.

Did I miss anything we need to know on a truck when looking at performance graphs? The questionnaire is going out tomorrow, so this quick feedback would be helpful. Each vehicle type will have it's own questionnaire - Van, P/U, Ex, and Special (flatbed, service body, etc....)

 

Hmmm... After pulling out my OBD EEC-IV PCM from my 95 Bronco last weekend and installing 5 PCM's in my wife's 2000 Dakota (only to finally realize that it was the electrical contacts at the PCM connectors which was the problem) and having only an inkling of knowledge but a suspicion that the stock PCMs for different model 7.3's (e.g., Excursion, F-Series, E-Series) and PCM's between different years of the same model are different, and having read and participated in some 5.8L and Dakota threads on "What PCM number/type do I have and should I buy?" it would seem to me that if a person was going to catalog this info about his truck, one thing he should catalog for himself and upload with his data to the dump, is his the number on the label on the truck's stock PCM.

Because a lot of people will be running stock PCMs without chips. And because it might help others in the future learn about the differences in stock PCM's, for replacement purposes, etc., and because you may see a pattern emerging which you won't see if you don't have that data point...

 

That's not a bad idea. It was also suggested by phone that we include the Software and version that the data set came from.

I want a good spread of information for the FTE Diesel Data Depot "FTE 3D", but I also want to be careful not to make this such a pain in the butt that few people want a piece of it.

 

Side note: One of our gifted members voluntarily submitted a template for us to import the data and "OttoGraph" it. I just named that on-the-fly. I checked "AutoGraph" on the internet and there is a product that automatically graphs data, but has nothing to do with vehicles.

Anyway... we are still beta testing OttoGraph and refining it - but it will knock that graphing task down to a non-event. It even includes an automatic conversion for the BARO to a PSI reading.

 

Kind of a side note here, although identifying the means of the data collection (AE, Torque PRo, etc.) is helpful, it "shouldn't" have an effect on the value of the data. If someone finds that the results they get for FIPW for a certain run up a hill are noticeably different when collected with AE versus Torque, then there's a data collection issue. Has anyone experienced this? I have both AE & Torque, but have never made a valid comparison. I use Torque almost every time I drive my truck anywhere (have a new turbo, and I like making that gauge wind up!). AE hasn't left the garage since Torque came out.

 

That's what my tomorrow will consist of, I've got both TP & AE, and I've got a to-do list and a side by side comparison I'm gonna get started. I got No mods on mine yet, so I hope to get some BaseLine numbers for a 2002 soon.

 

Some versions of AE have issues with the FIPW multiplier, and others with FIPW and MPH. I think there's a version that has an issue with cylinder 1 CRV, but it just might be the E99s that do that. Right now, I'm sorting out a mystery with Giotto and I'm unsure which version was used to log the data. I have to PM the driver to sort that out.

 

HPOP didn't make it on the list again.....😎🍺