Pre-purchase Low Coolant
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From: L.A. (Lower Alabama)
Supplemental Coolant Addative or SCA is what you want to avoid. Pellets inside the filter dissolve and "replenish" the coolant. Ok for big diesel rigs that use a silicate based coolant but not compatable with our coolants. Better to flush and fill on our trucks. This is a list of part numbers for the spin on filter used by most (pretty much all) of the aftermarket coolant filter systems and none of these contain a SCA.
Fleetguard WF-2077
Baldwin B5134
Baldwin B5089 (shorter)
John Deere RE11992
Caterpillar 9Y4528
Cummins 3300721
Wix 24070
NAPA 4070
NAPA 4069 (one inch shorter)
AC-Delco WF-108
Fram PR3383
Donaldson P554685
Alliance (Freightliner) WF2077
CarQuest 89070
Hasting WC8
Purolator W54451
Fleetguard WF-2077
Baldwin B5134
Baldwin B5089 (shorter)
John Deere RE11992
Caterpillar 9Y4528
Cummins 3300721
Wix 24070
NAPA 4070
NAPA 4069 (one inch shorter)
AC-Delco WF-108
Fram PR3383
Donaldson P554685
Alliance (Freightliner) WF2077
CarQuest 89070
Hasting WC8
Purolator W54451
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From: Spanaway
I am getting it for a pretty good deal. If I have to spend $5900 at powerstrokehelp in Buford Georgia for studs, o-ring heads, etc. then I will have more in it than it is worth, but a great solid truck. I am buying the truck to keep for a long time, not to look at trading in a few years.
I think you could spend the money better.
Sean
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Well, I bought the truck. Everything seems fine so far. I rarely see double digit deltas. My voltage shows 11.5 before starting it though. It does climb to 13.5 sometimes 14 while running. FICM voltage has never been below 47 but that is rare. It is usually 48 to 49. The batteries are just 1 year old from Napa but I thought they should show over 12 volts even when cold.
Anyway, I have some work to do. I bought T6 and fram oil filter (with the same patent numbers as motorcraft), ford oil filter cap (a taller napa filter cap is on it now), motorcraft fuel filters, 4 gallons of ford gold coolant, coolant filter on the way, magnaflow 4" turbo back exhaust on the way, 2 new CAC boots from riff raff (mine are oil soaked and floppy), blue spring kit on the way. I am also going to have a hot transmission flush done at ford. That's all I can think of right now! lol.
Anyway, I have some work to do. I bought T6 and fram oil filter (with the same patent numbers as motorcraft), ford oil filter cap (a taller napa filter cap is on it now), motorcraft fuel filters, 4 gallons of ford gold coolant, coolant filter on the way, magnaflow 4" turbo back exhaust on the way, 2 new CAC boots from riff raff (mine are oil soaked and floppy), blue spring kit on the way. I am also going to have a hot transmission flush done at ford. That's all I can think of right now! lol.
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Yea, I forgot to ask them about the hot flush machine. He told me $220 includes both filters. I will not take it to them without the hot flush.
Why are you not fan of the hot flush? It is all new to me. I'm used to just dropping the pan, change filter, and refill. I just want to give the tranny the best service I can. We will be using this truck to pull a 12k fifth wheel
Why are you not fan of the hot flush? It is all new to me. I'm used to just dropping the pan, change filter, and refill. I just want to give the tranny the best service I can. We will be using this truck to pull a 12k fifth wheel
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From: Spanaway
Yea, I forgot to ask them about the hot flush machine. He told me $220 includes both filters. I will not take it to them without the hot flush.
Why are you not fan of the hot flush? It is all new to me. I'm used to just dropping the pan, change filter, and refill. I just want to give the tranny the best service I can. We will be using this truck to pull a 12k fifth wheel
Why are you not fan of the hot flush? It is all new to me. I'm used to just dropping the pan, change filter, and refill. I just want to give the tranny the best service I can. We will be using this truck to pull a 12k fifth wheel
if you try to put cold fluid in it. You end up dumping the new
cold fluid into the wast bucket.
Sean
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Yea, I forgot to ask them about the hot flush machine. He told me $220 includes both filters. I will not take it to them without the hot flush.
Why are you not fan of the hot flush? It is all new to me. I'm used to just dropping the pan, change filter, and refill. I just want to give the tranny the best service I can. We will be using this truck to pull a 12k fifth wheel
Why are you not fan of the hot flush? It is all new to me. I'm used to just dropping the pan, change filter, and refill. I just want to give the tranny the best service I can. We will be using this truck to pull a 12k fifth wheel
Doing a dump and fill is a more gradual process. You get some fresh fluid in with the needed additives without too much disturbance. I am a believer that the fluid is a working part of the transmission. A hot flush is more of a shock to the system.
Now, I have never had a hot flush done on any of my vehicles so I have no evidence it will do any harm. I have done the dump and fill on some and they seem to be doing fine.
I will say that the Torqshift trans Ford put behind the 6.0l was the best truck trans out there at that time, and is still one of the best made. It's a beast. I have been following this forum for a few years and have only read of a few hard trans failures, and guys tow heavy with there trucks. I guess I am trying to say they are really good transmissions. I don't tow very heavy but I don't think my trans has ever topped 160deg.
The one thing that will damage the trans is the wrong tuner.
So my theory is, do a few dump and fills, change the front filter at 100k to 150k and it should be good.
Again just my opinion.
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So by dump and fill, you are talking about draining the pan, dropping the pan, replacing the internal and external filters, and refill what was lost? Then do it again after about 10k miles for a total of about 3 times? Of course not doing the filters each time.
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It was 23 degrees this morning and my voltage dropped to 10 before starting which had the FICM voltage at 45. I don't like that. The batteries are only 1 year old, but I believe I am going to replace them. After driving the voltage comes back to 13.5 to 14 with FICM voltage at 48 to 49
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I dropped my pan they first time I serviced the tranny only to make sure the bottom of the pan was spotless. It was, but I cleaned it anyway. I think lots of trannys fail because techs change filters and fluid but don't clean the pan. The new fluid cleans the gunk of the bottom of the pan and it promptly clogs the filter. If you've ever seen a pan after 150k miles without servicing, you have seen the gunk in talking about.
I'll not drop the pan again unless I put a 2008 pan and filter on it.