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Old Jul 9, 2014 | 11:14 PM
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another 351w build

hey guys just pick up a 351w motor for $350 and now im trying to decide on what parts i need not brand but tech side. i know i am going with comp cams extreme 4x4 cams (part # 35-231-3) and trick flow pistons, heads, and lower inake. problem is that i don't know which trick flow head to get or piston and that kind of tech stuff can anybody give me some advice or where to go to ask question. and this truck is mainly a daily driver/ weekend offroad. its going to be pushing a truck that has a 6 inch lift + 3inch body lift with 35x14.5 tires with 3.73 gears.
 
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I didn't know Trick Flow offered pistons. But, you need to keep the comp ratio at around 9 to 1 with your application
 
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Old Jul 14, 2014 | 01:38 AM
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well i don't know how to keep it at 9:1 compression ratio. see when it comes to real tech stuff on a motor i am lost.
 
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Pistons are listed with the comp ratio matched to a listed combustion chamber volume. That's how. If you buy a 9 to 1 piston listed at that ratio for a 64 cc head, then substitute a head with a 58 cc chamber volume, then the ratio also changes, upwards and vice versa. There are several factors that change the comp ratio, among which are: piston head volume, head gasket thickness, and combustion chamber volume. To arrive at the comp ratio, you must first figure the swept volume, this is the area created by the piston travelling down the bore to bottom dead center. At top dead center, you have an area created above the piston, consisting of the chamber size itself, plus the area between the piston and the deck (top of the block) , the head gasket volume (varies by it's compressed thickness) and finally the area between the piston and the bore, down to the top ring. You addd all these values then add that to the swept volume, then divide that value by the compressed volume to get the ratio.
 
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Old Jul 16, 2014 | 09:49 PM
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. Trick flow will tell you which parts to get... otherwise use KB 151 pistons with 70cc regular/stock heads... KB313 with 70cc Trick Flow heads...
 
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Old Jul 17, 2014 | 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by baddad457
I didn't know Trick Flow offered pistons.
sho nuff..
Trick Flow® Forged Pistons - trickflow.com
 
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Old Jul 17, 2014 | 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by KAGAN21
hey guys just pick up a 351w motor for $350 and now im trying to decide on what parts i need not brand but tech side. i know i am going with comp cams extreme 4x4 cams (part # 35-231-3) and trick flow pistons, heads, and lower inake. problem is that i don't know which trick flow head to get or piston and that kind of tech stuff can anybody give me some advice or where to go to ask question. and this truck is mainly a daily driver/ weekend offroad. its going to be pushing a truck that has a 6 inch lift + 3inch body lift with 35x14.5 tires with 3.73 gears.
you want a pair of these..
Trick Flow® Twisted Wedge® 170 Cylinder Heads for Small Block Ford: TFS-51410002-M61 - trickflow.com

and a set of these..
Trick Flow® Forged Pistons: TFS-51404221 - trickflow.com
assuming an +.030" overbore and stock rods..

I can think of better cams to use with that combo but it's your motor..
 
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Old Jul 17, 2014 | 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by gman97005
you want a pair of these..
Trick Flow® Twisted Wedge® 170 Cylinder Heads for Small Block Ford: TFS-51410002-M61 - trickflow.com

and a set of these..
Trick Flow® Forged Pistons: TFS-51404221 - trickflow.com
assuming an +.030" overbore and stock rods..

I can think of better cams to use with that combo but it's your motor..
He needs heads with a larger combustion chamber here, the combo you're suggesting will yield a 10 to 1 comp ratio.
 
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Old Jul 17, 2014 | 01:58 PM
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those twisted wedge heads are awesome. I ran them for quite a while in an 84 mustang I had. paired with an X-cam they flowed great. had the intake ported to match and off we went.
 
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Old Jul 17, 2014 | 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by baddad457
He needs heads with a larger combustion chamber here, the combo you're suggesting will yield a 10 to 1 comp ratio.
my bad, baddad, i have never built a normally-aspirated motor with less than 10:1 static CR, that's why i gave "no love" to his cam choice
 
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Old Jul 17, 2014 | 03:08 PM
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Well If it were I, I'd do it, but he may not want to have to run higher octane fuel to deal with that compression level in a daily driver.
 
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Old Nov 28, 2014 | 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by baddad457
Well If it were I, I'd do it, but he may not want to have to run higher octane fuel to deal with that compression level in a daily driver.

i have to agree im still sitting on the motor (with 3 kids running around not enough time to work on it). so i don't want to go high octane on a daily driver thing sucks up enough fuel as it is on the interstate when i have to drive on it. but its mainly on city streets. so im thinking now just doing a rebuild with better cams, crank, and headers and call it that.
 
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Old Nov 28, 2014 | 10:41 PM
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so im thinking now just doing a rebuild with better cams, crank, and headers and call it that.
What year is the motor. Unless the crank is trashed don't waste any money replacing it.. the bottom end of these motors is plenty strong. If you replace anything make it the heads, rebuild the bottom end to stock specs, add a decent RV cam, GT40 heads and headers and go drive it.
 
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Old Nov 29, 2014 | 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Conanski
What year is the motor. Unless the crank is trashed don't waste any money replacing it.. the bottom end of these motors is plenty strong. If you replace anything make it the heads, rebuild the bottom end to stock specs, add a decent RV cam, GT40 heads and headers and go drive it.

thanks for the help conanski, but since i started this project my funds have been decreased to $1000 so i might just have to settle with just headers and maybe i could get a set of gt40 heads. but i was wondering what brand and type of RV cams do you recommend?
 
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