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People on this forum talked me out if! something to the effect of by 2007 they had the head bolt robots calibrated?
-also worried if i pull the heads, ill want to rebuild them.. then ill have the engine out.
Still considering head studs? pros and cons of head studs on an 07 engine?
-also worried if i pull the heads, ill want to rebuild them.. then ill have the engine out.
Still considering head studs? pros and cons of head studs on an 07 engine?
Now, that doesn't mean the '05 and newer will not have issues, just not as common unless hot tunes are loaded and ran hard.
Me personally I would leave the TTY bolts in there, but I don't plan on tuning my truck other then a possible FICM tune. Now if the headgaskets ever let go, there is no way the TTYs would go back in.
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Justin - I am not saying that it isn't true (I am skeptical though), but I would LOVE to know if there was ANY Ford or International documentation on that!
When you say common knowledge, where did the information originate?
I recall a fair amount of discussion on inconsistant torquing in the EARLY days, but the scuttlebut then was that that was taken care of more quickly than 2005. Even that was never substantated as far as I can recall.
Who knows, maybe Ford kept it 100% quiet because the early model year folks would be asking for reimbursements on their head gasket work ......... but if it truly is common knowledge, there must be an official source for it.
When you say common knowledge, where did the information originate?
I recall a fair amount of discussion on inconsistant torquing in the EARLY days, but the scuttlebut then was that that was taken care of more quickly than 2005. Even that was never substantated as far as I can recall.
Who knows, maybe Ford kept it 100% quiet because the early model year folks would be asking for reimbursements on their head gasket work ......... but if it truly is common knowledge, there must be an official source for it.
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Make sure and get yourself the correct oil cooler. I think there are Dorman coolers for sale out there that are attractive because of their price, but the gaskets fail and clog the system.
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The subject of assembly line robots being out of calibration in the early years has been posted several times here and on other forums, mostly here at FTE though. A quick search will bring up posts back to 2008. I did see several where bismic asked about verifiable references and got no response.
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so after some debate with myself, i decided to pull the cab and heads, ad do studs. I'm glad i did, i found other problems along the way.
To anyone thats never done it before, it took me (someone who until yesterday morning had never touched a 6 liter) 7 hours to go from running truck, to cab off, short block in the frame.
When i drained the coolant i found some kind of black particle in it. It looks like dirt, but it is not grainy like dirt, when i rub it between my fingers i cant feel it.
I don't know how this stuff can be in the engine after a coolant flush that was extremely through.
I'm really thinking about a remote oil cooler, I'm in no hurry to pull my truck apart again.
To anyone thats never done it before, it took me (someone who until yesterday morning had never touched a 6 liter) 7 hours to go from running truck, to cab off, short block in the frame.
When i drained the coolant i found some kind of black particle in it. It looks like dirt, but it is not grainy like dirt, when i rub it between my fingers i cant feel it.
I don't know how this stuff can be in the engine after a coolant flush that was extremely through.
I'm really thinking about a remote oil cooler, I'm in no hurry to pull my truck apart again.
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Justin - I am not saying that it isn't true (I am skeptical though), but I would LOVE to know if there was ANY Ford or International documentation on that!
When you say common knowledge, where did the information originate?
I recall a fair amount of discussion on inconsistant torquing in the EARLY days, but the scuttlebut then was that that was taken care of more quickly than 2005. Even that was never substantated as far as I can recall.
Who knows, maybe Ford kept it 100% quiet because the early model year folks would be asking for reimbursements on their head gasket work ......... but if it truly is common knowledge, there must be an official source for it.
When you say common knowledge, where did the information originate?
I recall a fair amount of discussion on inconsistant torquing in the EARLY days, but the scuttlebut then was that that was taken care of more quickly than 2005. Even that was never substantated as far as I can recall.
Who knows, maybe Ford kept it 100% quiet because the early model year folks would be asking for reimbursements on their head gasket work ......... but if it truly is common knowledge, there must be an official source for it.
Its hard to tell if they were blowing smoke or not but dealer mechanics are located roughly 100 miles apart and I basically got the same answer from all. Also, these dealers have never given me a reason not to trust them.
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so after some debate with myself, i decided to pull the cab and heads, ad do studs. I'm glad i did, i found other problems along the way.
To anyone thats never done it before, it took me (someone who until yesterday morning had never touched a 6 liter) 7 hours to go from running truck, to cab off, short block in the frame.
When i drained the coolant i found some kind of black particle in it. It looks like dirt, but it is not grainy like dirt, when i rub it between my fingers i cant feel it.
I don't know how this stuff can be in the engine after a coolant flush that was extremely through.
I'm really thinking about a remote oil cooler, I'm in no hurry to pull my truck apart again.
To anyone thats never done it before, it took me (someone who until yesterday morning had never touched a 6 liter) 7 hours to go from running truck, to cab off, short block in the frame.
When i drained the coolant i found some kind of black particle in it. It looks like dirt, but it is not grainy like dirt, when i rub it between my fingers i cant feel it.
I don't know how this stuff can be in the engine after a coolant flush that was extremely through.
I'm really thinking about a remote oil cooler, I'm in no hurry to pull my truck apart again.
You won't regret it, especially if you plan to tow with tunes.
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Here is one early post from 2006. BowTieHater is one of the respected Techs from the early 6.0L forum days.
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/5...ad-gasket.html
I would still love to know exactly what the change was that they made in assembly. I do recall a torque procedure change being discussed, but I suppose I will always be skeptical about its significance.
Of more significance (in my mind anyway) is that the OP blew his head gaskets w/ a BD chip and was expecting head gasket work to happen under warranty.
I think one of the biggest changes over the years was with the programming in the aftermarket tuners - took awhile to learn the "better" (I won't say "safer") ways to make power.
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/5...ad-gasket.html
I would still love to know exactly what the change was that they made in assembly. I do recall a torque procedure change being discussed, but I suppose I will always be skeptical about its significance.
Of more significance (in my mind anyway) is that the OP blew his head gaskets w/ a BD chip and was expecting head gasket work to happen under warranty.
I think one of the biggest changes over the years was with the programming in the aftermarket tuners - took awhile to learn the "better" (I won't say "safer") ways to make power.
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Here is one early post from 2006. BowTieHater is one of the respected Techs from the early 6.0L forum days.
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/5...ad-gasket.html
I would still love to know exactly what the change was that they made in assembly. I do recall a torque procedure change being discussed, but I suppose I will always be skeptical about its significance.
Of more significance (in my mind anyway) is that the OP blew his head gaskets w/ a BD chip and was expecting head gasket work to happen under warranty.
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/5...ad-gasket.html
I would still love to know exactly what the change was that they made in assembly. I do recall a torque procedure change being discussed, but I suppose I will always be skeptical about its significance.
Of more significance (in my mind anyway) is that the OP blew his head gaskets w/ a BD chip and was expecting head gasket work to happen under warranty.
From what I was told, there is a min and max on the torque yield of the bolts. Let's just say the min is 200 and max is 240. In the area between 200 and 240 the bolts have elasticity and will not stretch. Now if the bolts were already torqued to 240, they are at the edge of their yield and elasticity, any over boost or additional head pressure creation would cause them to stretch.
Still, no concrete evidence. This is just what I was told.
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These trucks keep coming in,,,, and I'm gonna pull my wallet out and try n get you to relocate!!!!! How big of a house do you want Mike???? Lol
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That is my recollection also.
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